Re: Are Attached files ok?

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          David Shepheard <david_shepheard@???????.com> wrote:


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> 
>> The reason is I've finally finished my spreadsheet of ship size data, it
>> includes overall dimensions including mast and wing lengths, hull
>> dimensions, and, in some cases, ceiling heights.
> 
> Have you compared these numbers with Mr Suitcase?

Some of them.
> 
>:-)
> 
>> It also contains sheets with corrected dimensions to make the hull volume
>> match the listed size in tons (as ship tonnage in Spelljammer is rather
>> important; determining hull points, cargo space, and helm types needed, I
>> decided to keep the ship tonnages fixed, and vary the dimensions). It
>> includes all the ships listed in the War Captain's Guide, plus many of the
>> ships from Hackjammer. There are also a few unofficial alternative size
>> versions of some ships.
> 
> Are these alternative ones, the versions that Night Druid proposed for elven
> ships?

Again, some of them - I've included his elven cutter design.
> 
>> There are three sets of corrected dimensions; 1 using 1 ton = 100 cubic
>> yards, one using 50 cubic yards, and one using the Hackjammer measurement
>> of 1 ton = 1000 cubic feet.
> 
> You realise that you are describing units of volume. While tons are actually
> units of weight.
> 
> Volume = tonnage - measured by the amount of usable space within a ship.
> 
> Weight = tons - measured by the amount of water displaced when a ship is in
> water.

Well, in Spelljammer, a 'ton' was originally 100 cubic yards (although 
there has been some debate about this).

In the real world, the volumes of ships were also given in 'tons' but 
these were 100 cubic feet.
> 
> I would be interested to see what sort of numbers you get if you tried to
> calculate the relative size of ships based on the amount of weight each
> design would have.

Hmm.. I've actually done a bit of reaserch trying to find out if there 
was a simple relationship between ship size and weight for a given 
design of ship - but I couldn't find a lot of info on the subject (so 
far) - and I can't find the notes that I did take ATM.
> 
> (Actually, given the fact that ships can be measuered using volume or
> weight, there is one thing that makes me side with the volume argument - the
> "Stronger Materials" rules on page 44 of CoAS. These rules say that you can
> change a wood ship into a metal ship, without manouverabity, hull points or
> AR being effected. Only saving throws change. If SJ tons were based on
> weight then tons *would* change when a wooden ship was transformed into a
> bronze ship.)

However, the War Captain's Guide changed that: Bith AR and MC were 
both dependent on hull material, while Hackjammer has hull points 
dependent on hull material as well.

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> 
> Could this not be turned into an table and put into a Beyond the Moons
> article on the subject? I'd love to see how 100 cubic yards and 50 cubic
> yards alter the spectrum of ship sizes. I'm assuming that large and small
> ships would be affected differently.


I'll contact Static and see about getting the table posted on BtM. In 
the meantime, do you want me to send you a copy?
> 
> I'm also assuming that the Hackjammer ton would have a different effect on
> large and small ship sizes. I'm pretty sure that Adam, Paul and Rian changed
> this for a reason, so it might be worth asking them what they wanted to
> achive with their change.

Well, Hackjammer uses 1,000 cubic feet for a ton, which is a 10' × 10' 
× 10' cube - which could make estimating the volume of some designs 
easier.
> 
> "Pay no attention to the kender behind the curtain."
> David "Big Mac" Shepheard

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-- 
Charles