Re: SPELLJAMMER-L Digest - 29 Jul 2007 to 30 Jul 2007 (#2007-128)

Sounds like Matt has been reading a little too much Tom Robbins;)!

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1. You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when... (8)
2. List Archive? (2)

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:47:06 EDT
From: Michael Shell 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

And here I have ideas on running a campaign with custom races in which 
humans, their kin and halflings basically don't exist. Their role taken over by 
furry races. 



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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:17:22 -0700
From: Matt Hoffman 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

I once ran a campaign where the characters were a tuna sandwich, a 
VHS tape of the Wedding of Prince Charles and Princess Di, a pewter 
miniature of Eva Peron and a mint-condition first run Kenner Boba 
Fett action figure, who were all employed by the Czar to track down 
and publicly pants the guy who killed Archduke Ferdinand. The climax 
was a biplane chase over the 405 freeway in Los Angeles, wherein the 
VHS tape was nearly digitized and rendered obsolete by an evil Laser 
Disc, and Boba Fett lost 65% of his dollar value when he got his arm 
shot off by ace German biplane pilot, Chancellor Angela Merkel. Eva 
Peron was able to replace the lost arm with a soldering lead 
prosthesis, whereafter Eva and Boba fell madly in love and pledged to 
be married. But this set off an ill-fated love triangle, as the VHS 
tape had had his own designs on Eva Peron (things weren't going all 
that well with Princess Di around this time, you see). But before 
that potential conflict could bear fruit, about midway through the 
campaign, Boba's player left and he was replaced by some New 
Zealander whose voice just didn't seem to fit the character that the 
original player had created (granted, he was always kind of 2-d 
anyway...). Eva Peron and Boba Fett just didn't have the magical 
romantic chemistry they used to -- not even during the module that 
had the party paired up with NPCs Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers in a 
very special D&D musical adventure.

... No, I do not know where I thought I was going with this when I 
sat down to write this email. Why do you ask?

On Jul 29, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Michael Shell wrote:

> And here I have ideas on running a campaign with custom races in which
> humans, their kin and halflings basically don't exist. Their role 
> taken over by
> furry races.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:30:55 +0100
From: Steven 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

Yeah, not every race has to be normal human-based!
Besides, I like Giff. One thing that made SJ good, was that it is =
slightly
tongue in cheek and humorous. Some settings, like Dark Sun and =
Ravenloft,
are dark, brooding and morbid, but FFS, you don't want that ALL the =
time! ;)

The Giff are logical as a race, they make sense, they are humorous but =
also
dangerous. What's not to like? :)

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From: Spelljammer Setting Discussion
[mailto:SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com] On Behalf Of David Shepheard
Sent: 29 July 2007 16:31
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Subject: Re: [SPELLJAMMER] You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

I think that furry races are like anything else in D&D. They have their=20
place in the great scheme of things. If they are overdone they can seem =
a=20
bit corny. But in specific campaign settings they *can* be given a=20
background that really makes sense.

A man with the head of a hippo might seem a bit nuts to Erik Mona, but =
*no*=20
fantasy race is logical. That is the entire point of fantasy - to be =
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that is impossible. If elves were just humans with pointed ears they=20
wouldn't be interesting enough to play.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:36:48 +0100
From: Steven 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

Ick, that's one reason why I came to hate Star Trek Next Generation: all =
the
aliens were just Humans with slight prosthetic make up: what a load of
BOLLOCKS! ;)
Babylon5 did a far better job showing each race has its idiosyncrasies,
dress and art style etc.

Giff are nicely defined: they are professional soldiers, they like
explosives, they like a chain of command, they can't do magic, they =
won't
fight each other, they are big and hit very, very hard. The fact they =
have
hippo heads just emphasizes this, and along with their peculiar ways, =
makes
them both comical, and dangerous. They are *characters*, not just flat
boring wanna-be-humans.
You might snicker at a giff's pomp, but you'd NEVER laugh at his ability =
to
chop boarding enemies to mincemeat.

Giff rock! :)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Spelljammer Setting Discussion
[mailto:SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com] On Behalf Of Adam Miller
Sent: 29 July 2007 22:49
To: SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com
Subject: Re: [SPELLJAMMER] You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

--- Michael Shell wrote:

> He basically called them wonky or weird or some
> other such nonsense. But apparently someone at
> Paizo managed to talk him into letting them through
> for the one January issue of Dragon. He also put a
> moratorium on animal heads in Dragon. Apparently he
> wanted something besides the deluge of furry races
> that gamers wanted to see in Dragon.

Bleh, that's silly. Animal-headed races have been
with D&D since the start. =20

Frankly, the game is choked with so many races as is.=20
They could do better by just greatly expanding the
races they currently have, instead of trying outpace
Star Trek in the "humans with funny nose" race. :p

Adam


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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:52:12 -0700
From: Adam Miller 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

--- Steven wrote:

> Ick, that's one reason why I came to hate Star Trek
> Next Generation: all the aliens were just Humans
> with slight prosthetic make up: what a load of
> BOLLOCKS! ;)
> Babylon5 did a far better job showing each race has
> its idiosyncrasies, dress and art style etc.

I don't know...B5 fell into the same traps in the end,
with far too many alien races. Those were usually
grouped in the "League of Non-aligned Races". :p


> Giff are nicely defined: they are professional
> soldiers, they like explosives, they like a chain of
> command, they can't do magic, they won't fight each
> other, they are big and hit very, very hard. The
> fact they have hippo heads just emphasizes this, and
> along with their peculiar ways, makes them both
> comical, and dangerous. They are *characters*, not
> just flat boring wanna-be-humans. You might snicker
> at a giff's pomp, but you'd NEVER laugh at his
> ability to chop boarding enemies to mincemeat.

I seem to recall an image of a giff that was less
hippo-like and more...alien. With the right redesign,
they could have features that'd best be described as
"hippo-like", only because that's the closest thing
that they resemble. :)


> Giff rock! :)

And you'd better be able to run if you tell them
otherwise...:D



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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:45:59 -0500
From: Jonathan Thompson 
Subject: List Archive?

Is there a list archive? I wanted to go back and reread a couple of posts
from Loki, but cant remember off hand exactly which ones I wanted to read.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:40:25 -0700
From: Peter Aronson 

Subject: Re: List Archive?


> Is there a list archive? I wanted to go back and reread a couple of posts
> from Loki, but cant remember off hand exactly which ones I wanted to read.
> SPELLJAMMER-L in the body of the message.

Try http://oracle.wizards.com/archives/spelljammer-l.html

Best,

Peter

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:41:50 -0700
From: Adam Miller 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

--- Matt Hoffman wrote:

> As for sympathizing for the poor werewolves... I
> actually designed a Vodoni-based campaign once where
> the players took the roles of characters from the
> spheres ruled by the Vodoni Empire.

That actually sounds like a pretty cool campaign to
me. Did you ever get a chance to run it, and if so,
how'd it turn out? :)

Adam




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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:05:44 -0700
From: Matt Hoffman 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

> That actually sounds like a pretty cool campaign to
> me. Did you ever get a chance to run it, and if so,
> how'd it turn out? :)

I did not get a chance to run it, unfortunately. It just became 
another one of those unpolished homebrew creations that clutters the 
hard drive never to see the light of day :-p

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:10:09 -0700
From: Adam Miller 
Subject: Re: You know you're a Spelljammer nerd when...

--- Matt Hoffman wrote:

> I did not get a chance to run it, unfortunately. It
> just became another one of those unpolished homebrew
> creations that clutters the hard drive never to see
> the light of day :-p

That's a shame...in the same boat, but a shame none
the less. :)

Adam




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