Re: MotM: Nuitari Novius - Krynnspace Update

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Miller" <night_druid3000@?????.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SPELLJAMMER] MotM: Nuitari Novius - Krynnspace Update


> --- David Shepheard <david_shepheard@???????.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm not one to sit on my kester letting the fire
> go cold ;)

For a moment I thought you said you wouldn't sit on a kender! ;-)

[snip - thanks for double checking stuff]

>> This implies Wizards of the Black Robes will be able
>> to regain spells in all other crystal spheres! I
> would,
>> however suggest that they need to use Contact Home
>> Power (normally a cleric spell) once per week
> (unless
>> they were in Reoxspace or Takhisispace). Wizards
>> wishing to overcome this requirement could perhaps
>> build temples dedicated to Nuitari on a moon in
>> another crystal sphere.
>
> <shrug> Guess so; its an area I don't want to go at
> the moment, at least not yet :)

I realise that we need to do this things one step at a time. But, as 
Krynnspace is one third of the Radiant Triangle (said to be the "centre of 
Spelljammer civilisation") I think that spacefarers from Krynn would have 
gone to other crystal spheres and take (some of) the gods of Krynnspace with 
them. However, as you said, this *is* an area for a separate article.

>> If Nuitari has access to a transitive plane but
>> Solinari doesn't actually have access to The Astral
>> Plane and Lunitari doesn't actually have access to
>> The Ethereal Plane then this actually creates an
>> imbalance in the 3e DLCS set up. It doesn't hurt
>> Dragonlance, but it makes Nuitari have a big
>> advantage.
>
> I figure the new moons should have access to those
> planes; if Takhasispace has an imbalance, well that
> isn't my problem.  ;)

Actually thinking about this, Krynn, and therefore both pre-SC Krynnspace 
and post-SC Takhisispace, need to work the way that the DLCS says they work, 
but there is no logical reason for us not to extend DL rules to anywhere 
else.

Spelljammer is, and always has been, an optional add on to a groundling 
campaign. As long as we retain the cultural groundling/spacefarer barrier 
set up in the original SJ boxed set our new material shouldn't have any 
effect on the planet Krynn.

[snip]

>> This is a continuity problem, because according to
>> Dragonhelm (and I believe cannon material), Krynn's
>> moons did not get taken over to Takhisispace until
>> 39 (or 40?) years after Krynn went. If you make
>> Nuitari Novius appear while the original Nuitari is
> still
>> there, then I don't see a logical reason for it to
> be
>> given a similar name, because people would see it as
> an
>> additional moon rather than a replacement. You would
>> also need to explain the period when the place where
>> Krynn used to be had 6 moons orbiting it, instead of
> 3.
>
> I'm aware of that the moons didn't move until 40 years
> after Krynn did, but I wanted the moons put "out
> there" to get colonization going as soon as possible
> so they're more useful.  Not sure what the best way to
> handle the placement issue yet.

As long as any changes you make happen at least one day after Takhisis 
steals Krynn, they will not have any impact on the DLCS. So as long as you 
think about this carefully, I think you can take your best guess. But if you 
bring in the new moons before the old ones go you will be making something 
that conflicts with "Dragonhelm's Guide".

>> The 3e DLCS starts at the same time that Krynn's old
>> moons are taken away.  So if you want to do this in
> a
>> way that clashes you have a problem. You
>> would need to create this moon and have an instant
>> population and an instant gold rush.
>
> And it does have an instant gold rush...:p

It should really be a steel rush! ;-)

>> I think it is a shame to remove the Dragonfleet, but
>> I'd like to keep Dragonhelm's "defeat" and perhaps
>> make them an organisation that went into hiding (for
> a
>> while). This would make Nuitari Novius
>> a power grab for them.
>
> That's what I'm going with.  Actually, here's where I
> want to go with them:
>
> 1 - Prior to the Cataclysm, Takhasis steals one of the
> large reminants of Zivilyn.  She puts it out in orbit
> in the Black Clouds.

Sounds like another crafty way to get an extra spelljamming destination.

> 2 - Takhasis puts 5 dragons (one per color) on the
> rock.  She subsequently forgets all about them.
> 3 - The dragons lay eggs, eggs hatch, new source of
> dragons.

We do actually have quite a few dragons on the planets of Krynnspace 
already. However most of them don't really do much. I'd like to see a few of 
these groundling dragons go into wildspace. Takhisis (and all the other DL 
gods) should really have worshipers out in Krynnspace already.

> 4 - Following Dragonfleet defeat, reminants discover
> this moon & start rebuilding in a real way.  Maybe
> draconians and all.

You could probably achive these objectives without creating moving part of 
Zivilyn. The existing planets of Krynnspace are so sparsely documented that 
you could build entire countries on them without affecting the feel of the 
crystal sphere.

> Anyways, pretty much the rest has to do with problems
> with positioning & time.  I think I'll need to get a
> timeline going.

We could probably start by looking at the existing (Krynn) DL timeline and 
giving it a spacefarer spin.

> One thought this does raise is that, with some
> settings, the 3e "reboot" is usually set some time in
> the future, particularly Darksun & Dragonlance.  I
> wonder if this is feasible for this or not.  Hmmm.

Darksun *and* Dragonlance? You can't just toss out mindblowing like that. 
What do you mean?

As for things being set into the future, I think that is so that all 3e 
products have some new fluff that the old 2e editions didn't have. I also 
think that it allows the designers to explain away new crunch (like the 
universal arrival of sorcerers).

I think that the new SJCS that we are working on should also move into the 
future (although I think it should work at the slowest pace of DLCS, FRCS 
and Living Greyhawk).

We could probably have sorcery as something that spreads across the known 
crystal spheres via spelljamming.

David "Big Mac" Shepheard
Virtual Eclipse Role Playing Club
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