Re: Neogi as who's pawns? (lost e-mails)

In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Sun 09 Jul, Matt Hoffman wrote:
> While it is interesting... I dunno. IMHO, Drow are done and played to  
> death. Am I the only one who's sick of everything somehow going back to  
> the Elves?
> 
> For my part, I like the Neogi as they are: standing on their own, as  
> one of the three big bads of the SJ universe. They really don't need a  
> Drow tie-in, or a tie-in to anything else for that matter. In fact,  
> making them Drow cronies/creations diminishes them somewhat. It strikes  
> me as something akin to the hackneyed and cheesey racial origins  
> ret-cons that Blizzard keeps bogging down the Warcraft universe with.

Neogi smell like constructs to me, and they work with umber hulks
which have definitely been claimed to be constructs.

If they are, then by who?

There is nothing to say that they haven't eaten their creators,
who ever they were.


> On Jul 9, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Michael Shell wrote:
> 
> > Well, given the neogi, it would make sense for some to turn on their  
> > creators and masters at some point although there could still be a  
> > trigger that only certain drow (those with special connections to the  
> > priesthood like high level clerics and some powerful male drow  
> > wizards) know about that will either force the compliance of a given  
> > neogi or kill it instantly. They maybe psychopaths but the drow are no  
> > fools.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven <steven.james.1@??????????.??.uk>
> > To: SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com
> > Sent: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:38:24 +0100
> > Subject: Re: Neogi as who's pawns? (lost e-mails)
> >
> >
> > From what I recall from SJ lore, drow hate neogi, seeing them as
> > abominations of the arachnid holy form....
> > Doesn't mean they AREN'T made by drow, merely drow hate 'em on sight,  
> > which
> > makes sense as drow hate other arachnids (cildabrin, iirc?) that aren't
> > "lolth blessed"
> > :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spelljammer Setting Discussion
> > [mailto:SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com] On Behalf Of Michael Shell
> > Sent: 09 July 2006 20:20
> > To: SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com
> > Subject: Re: [SPELLJAMMER] Neogi as who's pawns? (lost e-mails)
> >
> > Hmmm, Neogi as some sort of drow experiment...what an intriguing idea.  
> > It
> > would also be an interesting way to have the drow and the neogi  
> > actually use
> > the same ships. Another way of reconciling Spider Moon with mainstream
> > SpellJammer. I think I actually like this idea. How much material  
> > exists on
> > what sort of religion, if any, that the neogi subscribe to? Even if  
> > there
> > were evidence to the contrary an individual DM might be tempted to  
> > stretch
> > the rules so to speak and change the neogi deity to Lloth. Quite the  
> > notion
> > to wrap your brain around...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matt Hoffman <manta928@?????.com>
> > To: SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com
> > Sent: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:31:14 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Neogi as who's pawns? (lost e-mails)
> >
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:15 AM, Dreamer wrote:
> >
> >> Drow.
> >>
> >> These don't seem to go spelljamming, but pawns like neogi, who
> >> would automatically consider themselves to be drow property...
> >>
> >> Maybe even if they hadn't met any drow for generations...
> >>
> >> For real fun ensure the neogi can never remember who their real
> >> masters are, just think they are doing things they were ordered
> >> to by drow, because "it seemed a good idea".
> >>
> >> Arcane would quite happily sell Helms to the drow, which they
> >> then provide to their pet neogi?
> >>
> >>
> >> Just a thought... [grin]
> >
> > While this is an interesting theory...
> > A) There are Spelljamming drow :) I forget, offhand, whether the major  
> > Drow
> > anchorage was in Realmspace or Greyspace, but the Drow do field a  
> > modest
> > number of ships in the void. Jade Spider Commandships and Monarch class
> > Armadas mostly.
> > B) The Neogi do not worship Lolth. If they had been a Drow creation,  
> > then
> > like everything else the Drow do, there would have been some reverence
> > built-in to the race for the Spider Queen. In fact, the only published
> > source that mentions Neogi priests or worship at all is in the  
> > Astromundi
> > cluster, where the Neogi worship the Astromundi incarnation of the  
> > Egyptian
> > god Set.
> > Also: the Drow would *never* have let their creations range so far  
> > beyond
> > their control -- it's in the Drow nature to keep a close rein on  
> > slaves and
> > servitors.

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