Neogi as who's pawns? (lost e-mails)

I've evidence that some of my e-mails aren't arriving on the SJ
mailing list, and that some e-mails directly to me may have been
lost.

If people sent me e-mails re Maj Space or whatever, I may not
have received them.


Here is the significant bits that I don't think arrived at the SJ
mailing list:


In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Sat 08 Jul, Matt Hoffman wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 3:56 AM, Dreamer wrote:
[snip]

> > If they can do this then they can probably wake themselves, and
> > their umber hulks, pretty fast.
> 
> The main problem I have with this idea is that it doesn't fit with the 
> Neogi personality. If a Neogi has this ability... why would he ever use 
> it? Entering into a hibernative trance would not be desirable at all to 
> a paranoid Neogi, air conservation or no. It leaves them vulnerable to 
> attack (especially if their umber hulk slaves are also in a trance!) 
> from both revolting slaves and rival neogi.

Actually, Neogi think of all things including themselves as
property, if I understand their write-up correctly.

So, if their Overmaster orders them to make themselves helpless,
then they are very likely to follow orders.  And if the
Overmaster orders all unnecessary neogi and their umber hulks
into a hibernative trance, they will have little choice except to
obey.  The Overmaster would likely order all neogi + UH remaining
active to not harm any inactive ones, so they would feel
reasonably safe.

If this was done it would greatly increase the numbers that could
be crammed into a SJ ship - slaves in a hibernative trance also
can't escape.  You'd just need a 'night watch' of active neogi
and UH, almost certainly including the Overmaster.


> > On the other hand, neogi have the ability to Charm Monster,
> > probably at will, on Umber Hulks, and the ability to cast spells
> > needing gestures (somatic), even though they don't have hands,
> > and these are abilities only mentioned in the text.  I could
> > imagine someone missing what they might think a minor ability.
> > The monster description (on LotV, pg.36-37) does not say anything
> > about them not needing to breathe, though.
> 
> They can "charm monster"? I'm not familiar with that ability...

See other posting.


> Also, there are texts that describe Neogi wielding weapons and using 
> items, so clearly they have some ability to manipulate objects with 
> their limbs. The artistic representations we of the Neogi vary wildly; 
> some pictures show small claws at the ends of their spiderian limbs, 
> while others show nothing of the kind.

The basic description says 'small claws', and also says they rely
on UH for any deterity, and as a 'useful set of hands'.

They have limited manipulative ability, but I'm guessing they are
using the same trick as other magic-users without hands to avoid
the need for gestures.


> > It is also interesting that the rules say in one place that neogi
> > use paired Lifejammer Helms (CoAS, pg.39), and in another that
> > they use Major (SJ) Helms (LotV, pg.37) for the Mindspider.
> >
> > Maybe they use either, depending on which neogi group it is?
> 
> Yeah, they use either  :)  War Captain's Companion lists most Neogi 
> ships, IIRC, as being able to support various helm-types.

I need to study that...


There are a number of interesting things about Neogi, and their
relationship to Umber Hulks, often considered one of those
creatures created by ancient wizards into monster building.

Neogi live on ships, never on worlds, are interested in slaves,
have very strong ideas about property including considering
themselves to be such, and seem related to spiders.  What race
might have created them, and might want them to stay off worlds,
and maybe supply them with slaves?

Drow.

These don't seem to go spelljamming, but pawns like neogi, who
would automatically consider themselves to be drow property...

Maybe even if they hadn't met any drow for generations...

For real fun ensure the neogi can never remember who their real
masters are, just think they are doing things they were ordered
to by drow, because "it seemed a good idea".

Arcane would quite happily sell Helms to the drow, which they
then provide to their pet neogi?


Just a thought... [grin]

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Dreamer
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