Re: Neogi and Umber Hulks - air breathing?

Further evidence, for those unsatisfied by the Undead Old Master entry  
:-p

 From "The Legend of Spelljammer," book 1 "Legends and More," pg 12:

"The Spelljammer continually releases magical scents and fragrances 
into its air envelope. These fragrances entrap the will of others and 
control the races that make the ship their home. Although these scents 
function in a very subtle fashion, they have the effect of a charm 
spell. Those living on the Spelljammer are positively disposed toward 
the ship, will fight to preserve the ship, and will otherwise act in a 
manner beneficial to the ship. This disposition is the reason why those 
who join the Spelljammer rarely leave.
"When an individual first enters the air envelope of the Spelljammer, 
he or she must make a saving throw versus spell. All modifications for 
race and level apply, but magic resistance is ignored. The elves' 
normal resistance to charm spells and their other immunities are also 
ignored for the purpose of this roll. Creatures that do not need to 
breath [sic] (such as golems, the undead, or clockwork horrors) are not 
subjected to making a saving throw."

There is a Neogi community aboard the Spelljammer. Now, it does not 
explicitly state anywhere that I've found in the text of "The Legend of 
Spelljammer" that Neogi explicitly need to breathe... but it would be a 
curious choice on the part of Jeff Grubb and the other game designers 
to put Neogi on the Great Ship without restraining them in a fashion 
similar to all the other races (with the exception of the Fool and his 
undead).
You're free to argue that, because this text doesn't necessarily rule 
out non-breathing Neogi, that it's still possible. However I find such 
a decision to be an extremely outlandish (and yes, silly) stretch of 
the rules.


On Jul 8, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Michael Shell wrote:

>
> In a message dated 7/8/2006 2:06:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> manta928@?????.com writes:
>
> "Ecology: Undead  neogi can devour things, but no longer need to eat,
> drink, or breathe, and  can now see in the dark."
>
> Undead neogi "no longer need to  ... breathe," therefore, it is logical
> to conclude that *living* neogi do  need to breathe.
>
>
>
> My apologies if I offend but that has to be the weakest arguement I 
> have
> heard so far. You are talking about UNDEAD neogi. The undead have no 
> need to
> breathe since they are already dead and are reanimated. Vampires don't 
>  need to
> breathe. Liches don't need to breathe. Did Strahd von Zarovich, the  
> Dracula
> clone of Ravenloft, need to breathe when he was still alive? He was  
> human so of
> course he did. You give up a lot of things when you become  undead,
> breathing, the need to eat, the ability to procreate (most of the  
> time, vampires in
> some stories have been able to do so but in other stories  this is 
> just not
> mentioned or assumed that the sex drive died along with  the body)
>
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