Re: Neogi and Umber Hulks - air breathing?

I didn't say that Neogi not needing to breathe was silly. I said that 
being willing to assume as much and take it into cannon based on a 
singular, parenthetical, unexplained and unjustified throw-away 
reference to non-breathing Neogi was silly. Especially when there is 
much more compelling evidence (air-usage explication for Neogi vessels, 
the MC entry for Undead Old Masters, etc.) to suggest that they *do* 
breathe.
And yes, much of AD&D fantasy is inherently silly :)  But that's not 
really what we're discussing here; that's kind of a given.

On Jul 8, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Joseph Elric Smith wrote:

> Wait we have flying ships in space with sails, we have giant hamsters, 
> we have intelligent spiders, with giant beetles as slave, and we are 
> going to use but it is silly?  The explanation can be just as easy as 
> how one explains Dragons or crystal sphere etc. Giant intelligent 
> slavers spider who don't; breath
> ken
>
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>> Well, I would say they do breathe, because it's silly to assume they 
>> don't based on a single passage in a single source that is written in 
>> such a way that it appears to reference some justification of the 
>> ability elsewhere, but really doesn't. What would the explanation for 
>> it be? I mean, it's not like you're talking about a race that can 
>> breathe both water and air. And other creatures that can survive in 
>> Wildspace without air (Kindori, Krajen) are fairly alien -- even 
>> moreso than the Neogi.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Joseph Elric Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I would say they don't; need to breath, as the rules state it, then 
>>> it is easy if the DM feel the need to for some reason to always make 
>>> them air breathers.
>>> I just don't understand why it is such a problem just because they 
>>> don't; breath
>>> ken
>>>
>>> Gygax is to Gaming what Kirby was to comics
>>> Alas poor Elric I was a thousand times more evil than you
>>>
>>> Slice N Dice: Game and Pizza Parlour
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Miller" 
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>>> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Neogi and Umber Hulks - air breathing?
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- "Rian A. McMurtry" <Whalejudge@???.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, it says that.  mea culpa.  Since it's not in the
>>>>> monster description, though... should we rule it
>>>> "space
>>>>> myth"?  "not need to breathe", IMO, should be
>>>>> reflected in an immunity or reduced vulnerability to
>>>>> gas attacks; since that's never been done, I'm
>>>>> inclined to think it was something that got left in
>>>> by
>>>>> one of the authors and not caught in editing.
>>>>
>>>> Space myth.  The only reference to that is in a single
>>>> entry that has nothing to do with the monster itself,
>>>> just a throw-away line.  If neogi didn't breathe, it'd
>>>> be a significant advantage that would have been noted.
>>>> Even the 3e material does not mention neogi not
>>>> breathing.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
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