Re: Locate Portal spell - Dreamer's hacked version has errors

I have used the substitution levels in my game and am VERY happy with
them. The idea is that the character levels up in his chosen class,
but a few of the abilities are different. You can only take a
substitution level at certain points (i.e. when going up to 3rd, 7th,
or 11th level is the usual)

For instance a Barbarian taking a substitution level when he goes up
to 3rd Lvlv doe not receive Trap sense like he normally would. Instead
he gains Portal sense. Equal power abilities that are tailored to the
setting are substituted for existing class abilities. It does not
affect the overall power level, but does allow for added customization
without needing to multiclass or adopt a PrC.

Love 'em!
Loki

On 4/3/06, Johannes Werner <joe@???-?????.de> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Dreamer wrote:
>
> > In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Sat 01 Apr, Peter Aronson wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dreamer" <dreamer@??????.?????.??.uk>
> > > To: <SPELLJAMMER-L@??????.???????.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SPELLJAMMER] Locate Portal spell - Dreamer's hacked version
> > > has errors
> > >
> > > > It depends on what you think of 'Wildspace Rangers'; you could
> > > > argue that this spell fits with the idea of tracking in space,
> > > > etc. You need to think about what the character class does, in
> > > > particular in a SJ setting, in addition to their existing spell
> > > > lists.
> > >
> > > I think Wildspace Rangers would be a neat idea, but I think clearly regular
> > > rangers wouldn't get this spell.
> >
> > This is the old problem of Character Class boundaries - where
> > does what a character wants to do (or what a player wants to do
> > with their character) change so much that they should be a
> > different class?
> >
> > OK, a group of adventurers who were groundlings get out into
> > wildspace, then the Flow, via one of the classic SJ campaign
> > start-up options. One of them is a Ranger, and after adjusting to
> > the fact of not doing everything on the ground starts to think in
> > terms of Survival in wildspace, and how you move around unnoticed
> > there, spot other people who are attempting such, and track,
> > using knowledge of where people have to go (such as portals or
> > air sources, corresponding to mountain passes or water holes), etc.
> >
> > Does this Ranger just learn a few new skills and feats, and maybe
> > appropriate SJ spells, or do they have to become a different
> > character class, say a 'Wildspace Rangers', to be able to
> > function effectively as anything other than a Fighter in a SJ
> > setting?
> >
> > I'd prefer to avoid forcing that Ranger to take a new character
> > class, as in general I'd prefer to avoid forcing new clases on
> > characters who want to become effective in a SJ setting.
>
> Hm. There is still the approach taken in the "Planar Handbook", where
> substitute levels exist for certain classes. Instead of e.g. taking 3rd
> level as a barbarian (from the PHB) you just take a substitution level. I
> cannot give more information about that since I am in my office, the books
> are at home...
> I don't really know if that approach works at all, though. I have not
> (yet) seen any player trying this...
>
> [...]
>
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Peter
> >
> > --
> > Dreamer
> > dreamer@??????.?????.??.uk
> > http://www.romsys.demon.co.uk/
>
> cu,
>
> Joe
>
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