Re: More Helms

In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Sun 29 May, Novamaster wrote:
> I think that either count helms as wonderus items and use the feat or
> add a 'craft helm' feat would work better than higher and higher level
> spells. Fits with the 3e\3.5 creation rules better...you'd still need
> the create X helm spell as a prereq but I think it works better than
> just the Helm spell + Permancy.

I wish I had seen a 2e enchantment scheme that I was happy with.

Permanency and permanent CON lost was a mechanic that I never
liked.

Of course there is:

http://www.romsys.demon.co.uk/frpg/enchant/index.htm

but, that was really done for Original DnD...


I am always reluctant to introduce a mechanic just for a
particular setting, and I suspect that a 'Craft Helm' Feat would
fall under that heading, if my limited understanding of 3e
mechanics is correct.

Maybe it could be folded into a 'Create Greater Wonderous Item'
Feat, which is on the way to a 'Create Artifact' Feat?

What do those wiser than me in the ways of 3e think?


>     -Canageek
>
> Dreamer wrote:
>
> >In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Thu 26 May, Ariel Sibal wrote:
> >
> >
> >>--- Dreamer <dreamer@??????.?????.??.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Sun 17 Apr, Ariel
> >>>Sibal wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Superior Helm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>[snip]
> >>>
> >>>Nice helm specs...
> >>>
> >>>How difficult would it be to spec the spells which
> >>>produce these
> >>>sorts of helms?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Sorry for not replying sooner. =)
> >>

> >>It would take me a while to figure out the specs to
> >>convert most of the helms into spell. Hehehe! I am
> >>really bad in trying to find the appropriate levels
> >>for the individual helms. You also have to think of
> >>the components of the spell. Just thinking what is the
> >>appropriate material component for a Superior Helm
> >>could drive a sane DM to the bottles. If you have an
> >>idea shoot it through here. =)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >A friend's comments were:
> >
> >"These spells are given at the correct levels relative to the
> >Minor Helm and Major Helm spells described in the SJ boxed set. I
> >feel that these spells should be one level higher for game
> >balance: they are not quite high enough level for their power.
> >The note under Create Major Helm implying that the spell returns
> >to operation one round after being dispelled was a major element
> >in this decision..."
> >
> >and I see his point about the two spells for Minor Helm and Major
> >Helm being a bit low level...
> >
> >Do you, or anyone else, have an answer to this comment?
> >
> >
> >Incidentally, he did the spells for "Greater Helm" (8th),
> >"Sprinter Helm" (7th), and "Cargo Helm" (7th), along with such
> >interesting spells as "Dispell Helm" (6th); though in this case
> >he gave them equivalent to the standard SJ spell levels, with the
> >above caveat.
> >
> >Assuming you use the standard SJ spell levels, I would guess that
> >"Create ~ Helm" spells would be no lower than 6th arcane or 5th
> >divine, and rarely higher than 8th arcane - it would take a very
> >exceptional Helm to be 9th.
> >
> >I would not consider 10th level spells (and certainly not higher)
> >unless you are going for the +1 spell level my friend suggests.
> >
> >Maybe some Helms, like Artifurnaces, just don't have Create
> >spells for them, and can only be created using the sort of ritual
> >work needed for artifacts themselves.
> >
> >Personally, I would restrict priests from access to the Create
> >Minor Helm spell unless I as DM hear some reason why their god
> >would grant them such. Though, I would likely allow priests of
> >suitable gods also access to the Create Major Helm spell, and
> >maybe others.
> >
> >Having a scroll of Create Helm around seems like a very sensible
> >precaution for any captain!
> >
> >As for other spells, which give effects of flight but without the
> >SJ overdrive, the weakest of them is likely to be 4th, more
> >commonly 5th, with the high grade ones that can lift massive
> >weights 6th. Having a spell scroll with "Fly Vessel" on might be
> >a good idea, as well!
> >
> >
> >On the subject of Superior Helm, do you think it much better than
> >the Greater Helm spec (written by my friend) that I put here?
> >
> >(I pinched the spec from the site, below.)
> >
> >http://www.romsys.demon.co.uk/frpg/alchemy/extras/helm.htm
> >
> >maybe you could just recyle that as a spell spec, with minor
> >tweaks?

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