Re: More Helms

I think that either count helms as wonderus items and use the feat or
add a 'craft helm' feat would work better than higher and higher level
spells. Fits with the 3e\3.5 creation rules better...you'd still need
the create X helm spell as a prereq but I think it works better than
just the Helm spell + Permancy..

    -Canageek

Dreamer wrote:

>In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Thu 26 May, Ariel Sibal wrote:
>
>
>>--- Dreamer <dreamer@??????.?????.??.uk> wrote:
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>>
>>>In <URL:news:local.spelljam> on Sun 17 Apr, Ariel
>>>Sibal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Superior Helm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>Nice helm specs...
>>>
>>>How difficult would it be to spec the spells which
>>>produce these
>>>sorts of helms?
>>>
>>>
>>Sorry for not replying sooner. =)
>>
>>It would take me a while to figure out the specs to
>>convert most of the helms into spell. Hehehe! I am
>>really bad in trying to find the appropriate levels
>>for the individual helms. You also have to think of
>>the components of the spell. Just thinking what is the
>>appropriate material component for a Superior Helm
>>could drive a sane DM to the bottles. If you have an
>>idea shoot it through here. =)
>>
>>
>
>A friend's comments were:
>
>"These spells are given at the correct levels relative to the
>Minor Helm and Major Helm spells described in the SJ boxed set. I
>feel that these spells should be one level higher for game
>balance: they are not quite high enough level for their power.
>The note under Create Major Helm implying that the spell returns
>to operation one round after being dispelled was a major element
>in this decision..."
>
>and I see his point about the two spells for Minor Helm and Major
>Helm being a bit low level...
>
>Do you, or anyone else, have an answer to this comment?
>
>
>Incidentally, he did the spells for "Greater Helm" (8th),
>"Sprinter Helm" (7th), and "Cargo Helm" (7th), along with such
>interesting spells as "Dispell Helm" (6th); though in this case
>he gave them equivalent to the standard SJ spell levels, with the
>above caveat.
>
>Assuming you use the standard SJ spell levels, I would guess that
>"Create ~ Helm" spells would be no lower than 6th arcane or 5th
>divine, and rarely higher than 8th arcane - it would take a very
>exceptional Helm to be 9th.
>
>I would not consider 10th level spells (and certainly not higher)
>unless you are going for the +1 spell level my friend suggests.
>
>Maybe some Helms, like Artifurnaces, just don't have Create
>spells for them, and can only be created using the sort of ritual
>work needed for artifacts themselves.
>
>Personally, I would restrict priests from access to the Create
>Minor Helm spell unless I as DM hear some reason why their god
>would grant them such. Though, I would likely allow priests of
>suitable gods also access to the Create Major Helm spell, and
>maybe others.
>
>Having a scroll of Create Helm around seems like a very sensible
>precaution for any captain!
>
>As for other spells, which give effects of flight but without the
>SJ overdrive, the weakest of them is likely to be 4th, more
>commonly 5th, with the high grade ones that can lift massive
>weights 6th. Having a spell scroll with "Fly Vessel" on might be
>a good idea, as well!
>
>
>On the subject of Superior Helm, do you think it much better than
>the Greater Helm spec (written by my friend) that I put here?
>
>(I pinched the spec from the site, below.)
>
>http://www.romsys.demon.co.uk/frpg/alchemy/extras/helm.htm
>
>maybe you could just recyle that as a spell spec, with minor
>tweaks?
>
>--
>Dreamer
>dreamer@??????.?????.??.uk
>http://www.romsys.demon.co.uk/
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