Re: Planar Churches and Polygot faiths

> > I don't think it is logical for polygots to worship both (Olympian)
> > gods and Titans. In my
> > opinion, clerics of the Titans would work against all the other Greek
> > gods (and the
> > Olympian polygot church) whenever they could. On the other hand I
> > can't see a problem with
> > polgots also venerating Artemis.
>
>I'm not sure why you wandered off into this, since it's irrelevant to
>the discussion but I'd consider the titans a separate pantheon.  Just
>as the Norse also battled a previous pantheon and drove them off (the
>giants).
>

Just because they believe the titans exist wouldn't necessarily make them a
priest of the titans.  Just because Christians believe in Satan, too,
doesn't make them priests of Satan.  He's part of the larger picture.  It's
the same thing here.  The polygots believe in the pantheon as a whole, and
don't focus down on one particular part of the pantheon over the others.
Each diety inside it is a part that interacts with the other parts, but it
is the gestalt made up of all the parts that is what they worship.

At least that's how I see it.  You can't hjave titans without the olympic
gods, and you can't have the norse pantheon without the giants.  They go
together.

- Coyote, the Desert Dog


> > I also think that it is unlikely that a polygot priest worshiping the
> > Greek gods would
> > worship Uranus. L&L says that he now is in hiding and that the other
> > Gods don't know he is
> > still alive. His clerics are described as a secret sect. I think this
> > means that he would
> > be unknown to the polygot clerics of the Olympian polygot faith. L&L
> > also says Uranus
> > hates the Titans and tries to stop any attempt to free or reach them.
> > I think that he
> > would avoid involvement in either pantheon and *insist* on having his
> > own clerics.
>
>Only that doesn't fit with the polygot/pantheonic faith description.
>Or are you now saying you'd alter it?  After you argued "by the book"?
>For what it's worth I'd say Uranus would grant spells in spheres where
>only he's known and it meets his goals.  And remember, in some spheres
>he's probably not in hiding at all.
>
> > I think that it could be argued that a Spelljamming cleric from a
> > Greek culture would have
> > two pantheons to choose from if he/she became a polygot:
> >
> > * The Olympian pantheon containing all the gods that won the war and
> > now (mostly) live in
> > Olympus or
> > * The Titan pantheon containing all the Titans that lost the war and
> > now live in Tartarus
> > (but not their children the Lesser Titans).
>
>I would only allow non-humans (giants, humanoids) to worship the
>Titans.  The Greek pantheon has enough in-fighting to cover any point
>of view.  The Titans are all about destroying the Greeks, their gods,
>their civilization, everything.
>
> > And that Uranus (a sky god with symbol of stars) would make a good
> > third option for a
> > Greek spelljamming religion.
>
>Third Option?  You've limited your PCs to two?
>
> > The Titan polygots would probably have some sort of problem gaining
> > spells because their
> > gods are imprisioned. They could be limited to 2nd level spells in
> > all spheres and forced
> > to use the Contact Home Power spell to get higer level spells. (The
> > lesser Titans
> > shouldn't really have a polygot church, because they don't have
> > organised churches by
> > themselves, but could have a few worshipers in crystal spheres using
> > the Greek culture.)
>
>Why would Contact Home Power be able to breach some an extra-planar
>barrier?  It's a 2nd level spell, it can barely breach a sphere barrier
>to create a link with a god that's listening.  And I see no reason why
>the Titans would be limited.  Sure, they can't escape Tarterus but
>nothing says they are forgotten or unable to contact followers.  They
>just got kicked off mount olympus.
>
> > It also means that clerics worshiping the Planar Church of Olympus
> > would not gain spells
> > from all the Olympian gods. They would only venerate and gain spells
> > from the ones that
> > actually lived in Olympus (so gods like Artemis would not be part of
> > their faith).
>
>No, they still wouldn't gain spells from any Olympian god.  Gods have
>specific goals that a planar faith has nothing to do with.  Gods would
>only answer pantheonic followers, and then only if a united pantheon.
>
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