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From: "Downer, Chris" <Chris.Downer@?????????.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:57:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Planet conquering
>>Actually I'd say it's more based on social concerns. You can win all the battles you want but if the enemy is not centrally controlled or doesn't fall apart when the central authority does then you've lost the war (see Iraq, most feudal and tribal societies, etc.).<< This is true but if your attacking say FR or Greyhawk then most of the countries have some form of central government. > 3. The degree of superstition (or gullibility) of the population. This reminded me of the "conquest" of Mexico City (I forget what it was called then) and the Aztecs. Of course, the outlying tribes joined with the invaders and control wasn't really what we think of it as. Disease ended up doing most of the final work. This is true as well. I would think that any smart invading SJ power would attempt to ally itself with some of the locals to help conquer the other nations of the planet. It would benefit the SJ power to gather as much intelligence as possible about the political make up of their target and exploit it to it's full advantage. > 4. Magic Level (if any) <<In an SJ game I posit there will always be some magic level, even if it's just shamans.>> For our group the gaming universe is made up of both Tech and Magic. Some worlds have them and some don't. But for this scenario we will assume that both sides have magic. <<Of course a feudal structure leaves all those other local lords there to claim the title of king and keep fighting. Outsiders rarely have legitimacy simply by killing the reigning monarch and SJ economics will prevent an army of occupation from being flown in across space (especially an extra-sphere army).>> However if the Outsider allow the local lords to keep some power (after the king is killed/captured/turned into a rabbit.) Then the outside force may be able to control them especially if the Outside force can offer some good rewards for sticking with them. After all most of these lords are greedy anyway :) Keep > in > mind that any battles the SJ forces fights against a groundling army > are going to weigh heavy against the groundling nation due to the > airpower being > used (unless the groundlings have some magic or tech that would be > effective > against the ships) <<<<<And here I disagree. Air power can't win a war. So if the enemy builds fortifications effective against aerial assualt (like going underground) or uses highly maneuverable ground troops (like cavalry) SJ ships have little effect. You have to use ground troops to take and hold ground. In the (A)D&D world the existence of an underdark ecology (or the possiblity of one) as well as all that magic for food and such you were going to use to support your SJ army can make Sj ships a needless and vulnerable burden.>>>>> So you think that air power would be useless. I think not, now keep in mine that I said nothing about not using ground forces. In any war that you intend on taking ground you will need a ground force. But a ground force supported by aerial assaults and transportation will have the advantage over a ground force that does not. And there is the moral factor to take into account here. Imagine your in some grounding army and these flying ship start pounding your position wit large rocks, ballista bolts and anything else they can find. Then they drop ground troops behind your lines to out flank you. I think your moral would suffer a little. ____________________________________________________________________________ _ (c) 2004 TeleCheck International, Inc. THIS DOCUMENT, AND ANY ATTACHED INFORMATION: 1) IS PROPRIETARY, PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL PROPERTY OF TELECHECK UNDER APPLICABLE LAW, AND 2) IS INTENDED EXCLUSIVELY FOR INTERNAL USE BY TELECHECK EMPLOYEES AND INTENDED RECIPIENTS WITH A LEGITIMATE TELECHECK BUSINESS NEED THEREFORE. ITS REPRODUCTION, DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION AND/OR DISCLOSURE, EXCEPT TO SUCH TELECHECK EMPLOYEES AND INTENDED RECIPIENTS, IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED . IF YOU ARE NOT SUCH A TELECHECK EMPLOYEE OR INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY REPRODUCTION, DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION AND/OR DISCLOSURE OF THIS DOCUMENT, OR ANY ATTACHMENTS, IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
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| Planet conquering | Invoker | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Peter Mikelsons | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Invoker | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Drew Lee | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Peter Mikelsons | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Shea Silvermoon | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Drew Lee | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Drew Lee | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Shea Silvermoon | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Drew Lee | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Richard Gant | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Richard Gant | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Shea Silvermoon | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Richard Gant | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Invoker | |||
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| Re: Planet conquering | Adam Miller | |||
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| Planet conquering | ThatOtherGuy | |||
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| Re: Planet conquering | Tilaurin | |||
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| Re: Planet conquering | Rian A. McMurtry | |||
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| Re: Planet conquering | Rian A. McMurtry | |||
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| Re: Planet conquering | Michael Sandy | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Downer, Chris | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Rian A. McMurtry | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Thatotherguy | |||
| Re: Planet conquering | Downer, Chris | |||
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| Re: Planet conquering | Downer, Chris | |||
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