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From:     Thatotherguy <spellj@??????????.com>
Date:     Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:34:37 -0700
Subject:  Re: Planet conquering
> It is not impossible to take control of a large nation or planet with
> Spelljammers.  The degree of success (or failure) would depend on
> several
> factors.
> 1. Tech Level

Actually I'd say it's more based on social concerns.  You can win all
the battles you want but if the enemy is not centrally controlled or
doesn't fall apart when the central authority does then you've lost the
war (see Iraq, most feudal and tribal societies, etc.).

> 2. Type of Government that the people are familiar with, such as
> Monarchy.

Relates to above.

> 3. The degree of superstition (or gullibility) of the population.

This reminded me of the "conquest" of Mexico City (I forget what it was
called then) and the Aztecs.  Of course, the outlying tribes joined
with the invaders and control wasn't really what we think of it as.
Disease ended up doing most of the final work.

> 4. Magic Level (if any)

In an SJ game I posit there will always be some magic level, even if
it's just shamans.

> 5. The amount of resources that the Spelljamming nation is welling to
> use on
> this operation.

And here's the clincher:  occupation by a large army or direct conquest
as we think of it in modern terms is impossible given the baseline SJ
economics (costs of helms, size of ship transportable, etc.).  So
again, I think colonization of some sort or recruiting/integrating
local power is necessary for any sort of space conquest.  Of course,
some people prefer games where this happens, so all I suggest is
adjusting the economics of SJ to make it reasonable.  :)

> In most cases if the Groundling empire is of a Medieval level or
> below and
> is run my a dictatorship or monarchy (or similar forms of government)
> then
> all the SJ nation has to do is to win key battles against the
> groundling
> army. (Take the main castle that the King lives in, Capture a key
> trading
> town, Decimate an army sent against the invading SJ nation etc.)

Of course a feudal structure leaves all those other local lords there
to claim the title of king and keep fighting.  Outsiders rarely have
legitimacy simply by killing the reigning monarch and SJ economics will
prevent an army of occupation from being flown in across space
(especially an extra-sphere army).

 Keep
> in
> mind that any battles the SJ forces fights against a groundling army
> are
> going to weigh heavy against the groundling nation due to the
> airpower being
> used (unless the groundlings have some magic or tech that would be
> effective
> against the ships)

And here I disagree.  Air power can't win a war.  So if the enemy
builds fortifications effective against aerial assualt (like going
underground) or uses highly maneuverable ground troops (like cavalry)
SJ ships have little effect.  You have to use ground troops to take and
hold ground.  In the (A)D&D world the existence of an underdark ecology
(or the possiblity of one) as well as all that magic for food and such
you were going to use to support your SJ army can make Sj ships a
needless and vulnerable burden.

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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
Planet conquering    Invoker    15 Jun 2000 06:30:34
Re: Planet conquering    Peter Mikelsons    17 Jun 2000 03:51:36
Re: Planet conquering    Invoker    17 Jun 2000 05:17:38
Re: Planet conquering    Drew Lee    17 Jun 2000 06:02:34
Re: Planet conquering    Peter Mikelsons    17 Jun 2000 16:21:22
Re: Planet conquering    Shea Silvermoon    17 Jun 2000 17:47:19
Re: Planet conquering    Drew Lee    17 Jun 2000 18:33:16
Re: Planet conquering    Adam Miller    17 Jun 2000 20:06:06
Re: Planet conquering    Drew Lee    17 Jun 2000 20:24:59
Re: Planet conquering    Shea Silvermoon    17 Jun 2000 21:14:52
Re: Planet conquering    Drew Lee    17 Jun 2000 21:21:48
Re: Planet conquering    Richard Gant    17 Jun 2000 23:45:34
Re: Planet conquering    Richard Gant    18 Jun 2000 00:02:34
Re: Planet conquering    Shea Silvermoon    18 Jun 2000 01:06:10
Re: Planet conquering    Adam Miller    18 Jun 2000 01:05:25
Re: Planet conquering    Tilaurin    18 Jun 2000 02:22:32
Re: Planet conquering    Tilaurin    18 Jun 2000 02:26:14
Re: Planet conquering    Tilaurin    18 Jun 2000 02:30:42
Re: Planet conquering    Tilaurin    18 Jun 2000 02:36:20
Re: Planet conquering    Richard Gant    18 Jun 2000 03:49:59
Re: Planet conquering    Invoker    18 Jun 2000 08:54:28
Re: Planet conquering    Invoker    18 Jun 2000 08:59:08
Re: Planet conquering    Invoker    18 Jun 2000 09:12:42
Re: Planet conquering    Thatotherguy    19 Jun 2000 15:12:28
Re: Planet conquering    Robert Baranowski    19 Jun 2000 15:56:17
Re: Planet conquering    Sheldon Burnham    19 Jun 2000 17:15:09
Re: Planet conquering    Buddy Murphy    19 Jun 2000 18:26:21
Planet conquering    George Lavalle    19 Jun 2000 18:48:20
Re: Planet conquering    Invoker    19 Jun 2000 19:00:11
Re: Planet conquering    Adam Miller    19 Jun 2000 18:59:54
Re: Planet conquering    Abbadon the Dark Angel of Morning    19 Jun 2000 19:52:10
Re: Planet conquering    Adam Miller    19 Jun 2000 21:16:47
Re: Planet conquering    Adam Miller    19 Jun 2000 21:22:47
Planet conquering    ThatOtherGuy    20 Jun 2000 02:10:28
Re: Planet conquering    Sebastian Lucier    20 Jun 2000 05:01:16
Re: Planet conquering    Tilaurin    20 Jun 2000 14:45:19
Re: Planet conquering    Tilaurin    20 Jun 2000 15:06:16
Re: Planet conquering    Rian A. McMurtry    20 Jun 2000 16:39:27
Re: Planet conquering    Leroy Van Camp III    20 Jun 2000 06:10:45
Re: Planet conquering    David Stairs    04 Apr 2004 20:12:06
Re: Planet conquering    Thatotherguy    04 Apr 2004 21:09:12
Re: Planet conquering    Rian A. McMurtry    04 Apr 2004 21:40:47
Re: Planet conquering    Michael Sandy    05 Apr 2004 03:03:23
Re: Planet conquering    Ian Hoskins    05 Apr 2004 10:08:08
Re: Planet conquering    Michael Sandy    05 Apr 2004 16:53:08
Re: Planet conquering    Downer, Chris    05 Apr 2004 17:05:33
Re: Planet conquering    Rian A. McMurtry    05 Apr 2004 18:10:30
Re: Planet conquering    Thatotherguy    05 Apr 2004 18:34:37
Re: Planet conquering    Downer, Chris    05 Apr 2004 20:57:12
Re: Planet conquering    Danton May    06 Apr 2004 04:12:27
Re: Planet conquering    Thatotherguy    06 Apr 2004 17:21:24
Re: Planet conquering    Downer, Chris    06 Apr 2004 19:48:00
Re: Planet conquering    George "Loki" Williams    06 Apr 2004 20:53:24
Re: Planet conquering    Michael Sandy    07 Apr 2004 06:31:55
Re: Planet conquering    Steven (Silverblade)    02 May 2004 04:02:14

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