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From:     Thatotherguy <spellj@??????????.com>
Date:     Tue, 3 Jun 2003 20:35:37 -0700
Subject:  Re: Waterjammers
> ok, just went and double-checked: i'm wrong.  Water worlds *do*
> increase in pressure, just like in our world.  It's air worlds that
> don't increase in pressure.  In fact, it makes the comment that air
> worlds are weird: even the atmosphere around earth worlds gets denser
> as you get lower, only with air worlds is this not the case.


  It also
> makes the comment that not all water worlds have an atmosphere.

And not all solid worlds do either.  Menaing the exception is the air
worlds, not water worlds.

> Next, no mention is made of a gasseous atmosphere clinging to the
> bubble of water surrounding a Great Dreamer.

A great dreamer and similar creatures seem to be very special in their
own right.  Some sort of powerful force they exert (magic, psionics?)
regulates their vicinity.

  Oh, and we know that
> there is gravity both within and upon teh surface of a water world,
> but it appears there is no gravity on the surface (that is, beyond
> the edge) of an air world.

Thus we know water worlds generate a gravity well, the same as solids.
Gases, however, are apparently sucked up by void gravity wells and do
not generate their own.

 Finally, we know that if you dive into a
> water world, your air envelope is displaced.

?  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  It displaced if you
dive into the ocean of a solid world as well.

> So, my deductions from what little we have:
> --> air is special

Agreed.

> --> you can have a water envelope without having an air envelope
> around *that*

Only under special circumstances.  Since helms don't generate gravity
or envelopes or hold them together, you need something else to affect
those circumstances on a ship.

> --> therefore, fluids in general don't generate gravity the way that
> solids in general do

This is exactly the opposite of what your research shows.

> --> whatever causes air to cling around solid objects isn't more
> powerful than the force that causes water to seek its level. Also,
> there's no mention of a ship leaving a water world bringing any water
> with it.

Agreed on both accounts.

> My conclusions/interpretations
> --> so, a solid has a definite gravity well, extending out to a
> finite range, and ending abruptly--thus the typical air envelope
> around ships

And planets' gravity wells.

> --> a gasseous body has a less-definite gravity well,

No, it has just as definite one, its just that all the gas is limited
to it (excess gas presumably floats away).

 and the gravity
> well doesn't extend beyond the gas itself.

*But* only in the rare case of a gas world.  Gases on liquid and solid
objects have no effect on the gravity well, thus it probably has no
effect at all and void gravity wells (gravity wells with no associated
matter) are the cause of the rare air worlds.

> --> liquids are somewhere in between.  They don't necessarily
> generate gravity beyond their surface, but they do generate gravity
> at their surface.

?  See above.  This is already proven a fallacy.  Liquid generates a
gravity well.  Only lonely air acts differently than anything else
(note also that fire worlds create a gravity well as well, though fire
arguably has no inherent mass).

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Waterjammers    Ariel Sibal    26 May 2003 05:48:44
Re: Waterjammers    Leroy Van Camp III    26 May 2003 06:25:31
Re: Waterjammers    Rian A. McMurtry    26 May 2003 06:43:32
Re: Waterjammers    Tilaurin    26 May 2003 07:07:19
Re: Waterjammers    Flits3 Frietmuts    26 May 2003 08:46:28
Re: Waterjammers    Leroy Van Camp III    26 May 2003 15:54:24
Re: Waterjammers    woodelf    26 May 2003 20:10:32
Re: Waterjammers    Rian A. McMurtry    26 May 2003 21:47:13
Re: Waterjammers    woodelf    26 May 2003 20:14:52
Re: Waterjammers    woodelf    26 May 2003 20:14:24
Re: Waterjammers    Leroy Van Camp III    27 May 2003 00:07:17
Re: Waterjammers    Nancy E (Lea) Hall    27 May 2003 01:06:11
Re: Waterjammers    Tilaurin    27 May 2003 01:41:55
Re: Waterjammers    woodelf    27 May 2003 03:37:31
Re: Waterjammers    Leroy Van Camp III    27 May 2003 03:40:30
Re: Waterjammers    Leroy Van Camp III    27 May 2003 03:58:59
Waterjammers    Jim Kersh    27 May 2003 09:59:50
Waterjammers    Ariel Sibal    27 May 2003 10:00:06
Re: Waterjammers    Ariel Sibal    27 May 2003 10:21:23
Re: Waterjammers    Ariel Sibal    27 May 2003 11:12:11
Re: Waterjammers    Ariel Sibal    27 May 2003 11:22:31
Re: Waterjammers    woodelf    27 May 2003 15:04:49
Re: Waterjammers    Brian Brousseau    27 May 2003 22:37:26
Re: Waterjammers    Leroy Van Camp III    27 May 2003 23:33:53
Re: Waterjammers    Eric Collins    28 May 2003 05:23:09
Waterjammers    Jim Kersh    30 May 2003 11:10:00
Re: Waterjammers    woodelf    30 May 2003 14:28:31
Re: Waterjammers    Thatotherguy    04 Jun 2003 02:50:53
Re: Waterjammers    Thatotherguy    04 Jun 2003 03:04:04
Re: Waterjammers    Thatotherguy    04 Jun 2003 03:35:37

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