Create Helm spells - God

> You're being deliberately obtuse or you are incapable of reading.

(Man, no offenses please, we are having only a hearty discussion here!)

> Either the deity powers the thing or the magical item does.  Or a
> combination.  I see no reason a deity couldn't move a ship if they
> wanted to.  This spell is a good and reasonable draw-down from the 5th
> level create minor helm.  It doesn't last as long and requires a
> magical item to be sacrificed.  It also requires a real material
> component, not just any chair you can find.  And back to the deity part...
>

Sacrifice of itens isn't an issue, nor may make a 3rd level spell that
powerful. With your parameters we could lay down Stoneskin to 3rd lvl too.
Anyway, to say that the Gods could move ships is somewhat "Deus ex Machina"
solution to our discussion. Put it level 2 then, God may wish it, no? If not
the DM simply denies it to the player. Deitys are the ultimate power in
games, so their could do anything they wanted, no? Spell level is a game
mechanic to show how the gods restrict not themselves but their worshippers
in using their godly power.

If a DM's negating power spells are to be the mantainer of balance between
spells, why bother with Spell Levels? Examples of 3rd level spells include
Prayer, Remove Paralysys, Stone Shape, etc. all with very useful effects,
but not monstrous hability. Maybe if you downside the spell to Hours/level
in duration, 3rd could became a less acward proposition.

P.S - Being obtuse can sometimes be interesting to discussions! As we say
here: "We like to see the Circus get on fire and the Firemen go on strike."
But i assure you that whenever i agree with you i will be true. This is
geting very interesting. :)