Re: Create Helm spells - Fly spell is so beautifull

--- JJJ <ladob@???????.com> wrote:
> > What Spelljammer "Uniqueness"?
>
> Spelljamming is a very special event, not something common all
> around.
> Krynn, the Realms, Oerth etc. do not have spelljammers being used
> like
> trucks, flying around.

Yes it does.  Everyday Spelljammers fly around in the SJ universe.
It's the primary mode of travel.  Just because TSR was dumb enough to
try to shoehorn SJ onto worlds that it has no relation to doesn't mean
it isn't common where it's at.  Just as FR and GH have their own
setting specific spells, so the SJ spells should be very common in the
SJ setting.  Otherwise no one will ever get anywhere.  Of course, if
your DM is incapable of limiting knowledge of certain spells to certain
regions, that's your issue.  But since these spells eat magical items
for power I don't see a problem anyway (you've already got your
problem, these spells aren't adding to it).


 If you agree with consequences like :
>
> "Right sire, i will fly our boat and get 400 soldiers down the enemy
> lines,
> as i am a 5th lvl generic cleric and can make a incredible 100 ton
> Deathspider fly right away for 5 days. Yes sir, thats 400 miles/day
> (poor SR
> 1), enough to tranverse the nation."

And my DM isn't smart enough to read the spell and see that a 5th level
generic cleric can't use it to do that.  And if he does it will cost
him a magical item.  But for those stuck in 3e mode, I guess it could
be an issue.

> > And *WHY* would we ever limit it to major sphere
> > access?  Just because a deity doesn't grant major access to the
> correct
> > sphere, his worshippers can't be tooling around space?
>
> Spheres were created to mean the area of god influence. Spelljamming
> may not
> be planeswalking, but its much more special than a simple fly spell.
> To
> transverse the spheres seens important enough to be a major acess for
> the
> Travelers sphere, i am not saying to equal it to 5th lvl, only 4th,
> the
> minimum for major acess.

That's absurd.  Nor are we talking a fly spell.  Priests don't get
them.  If a god has an interest in spreading his people through the
spheres he's going to have to grant access to spells to do that.  Do
you know of any deities not interested in increasing their power base?
This is SJ.  Besides which, you still haven't addressed the ranger
issue nor have you provide any solid reasons for 4th level beyond "I
want it to only be limited to major sphere access granting deities,
nyah, nyah".

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