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From:     Thatotherguy <spellj@??????????.com>
Date:     Thu, 6 Jun 2002 05:48:45 -0700
Subject:  Re: Why Big ships?
> I just took a course about fires last week, so I can clear up some
> misconceptions here (although if there are any firefighters on the
> list,
> I'm sure they can do a better job than me). Sometimes fires do erupt
> in
> areas that are almost completely sealed (this is when backdraft
> situations can occur: as soon as new oxygen is added to the mix you
> get
> a huge explosion). Now when this happens the fire doesn't just put
> itself out. First, by the time this has happened the fire has already
> burned enough to reduce everything in the room to ashes (and this is
> with a lot less oxygen than we would be talking about with an air
> envelope). Second, the fire doesn't actually use up all of the
> oxygen.
> Enough of the oxygen is replaced by other gases to keep open flame
> from
> burning, but everything in the area will continue to smolder and
> ultimately be destroyed. With the size of a ship's air envelope a
> fire
> that was left unchecked would completely destroy the ship given time.
> Even if the fire was belowdecks, and the belowdecks area was
> completely
> sealed off from the rest of the air envelope, the fire would
> completely
> gut the ship, and make its structure untenable (this is much more
> comparable to the situations in RL which cause backdrafts).

I still wonder about this.  Yes, furniture and papers are completely
destroyed.  But we're talking some massive timbers here.  Maybe it will
smolder over time.  But the immediate, quick ship destroyer is still
going to be ramming.  Your smoldering fire killed the crew, long before
it destroyed the ship.  Also fires in RL have good air.  We still have
to deal with air quality even before the fire starts.

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Why Big ships?    Adam Miller    21 May 2002 21:55:07
Re: Why Big ships?    Rian A. McMurtry    21 May 2002 21:59:31
Re: Why Big ships?    Andrew Ellem    21 May 2002 22:12:08
Re: Why Big ships?    Mark T. Doolan    21 May 2002 22:27:17
Re: Why Big ships?    Michael Sandy    21 May 2002 22:41:19
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    22 May 2002 03:03:27
Re: Why Big ships?    Flits3 Frietmuts    22 May 2002 07:29:12
Re: Why Big ships?    Downer, Chris    22 May 2002 12:00:54
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    22 May 2002 13:08:19
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    22 May 2002 13:09:29
Re: Why Big ships?    Burt Zoellick    22 May 2002 21:56:05
Re: Why Big ships?    Abbadon the Dark Angel of Morning    23 May 2002 01:53:52
Re: Why Big ships?    Sebastian Lucier    23 May 2002 15:13:56
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    24 May 2002 03:00:48
Re: Why Big ships?    Diane Morrison    25 May 2002 03:20:40
Re: Why Big ships?    Adam Miller    30 May 2002 22:52:29
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    31 May 2002 15:50:14
Re: Why Big ships?    Mark Doolan    31 May 2002 18:02:35
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    01 Jun 2002 05:14:01
Re: Why Big ships?    Chris W    01 Jun 2002 11:56:42
Re: Why Big ships?    Richard Myers    01 Jun 2002 14:30:06
Re: Why Big ships?    Chris W    01 Jun 2002 15:07:39
Re: Why Big ships?    Diane Morrison    02 Jun 2002 19:50:52
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    03 Jun 2002 14:42:30
Re: Why Big ships?    Chris W    03 Jun 2002 22:10:44
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    03 Jun 2002 23:30:58
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    04 Jun 2002 03:43:34
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    04 Jun 2002 13:26:23
Re: Why Big ships?    George LaValle    04 Jun 2002 20:28:50
Re: Why Big ships?    Michael Sandy    05 Jun 2002 04:43:16
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    05 Jun 2002 13:10:54
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    05 Jun 2002 16:47:31
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    05 Jun 2002 19:24:04
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    06 Jun 2002 12:48:45
Re: Why Big ships?    Diane Morrison    06 Jun 2002 16:21:06
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    06 Jun 2002 21:30:34
Re: Why Big ships?    David Stairs    16 Apr 2004 09:37:03
Re: Why Big ships?    David Stairs    16 Apr 2004 10:49:44
Re: Why Big ships?    Steel Abjur    16 Apr 2004 11:16:42
Re: Why Big ships?    John_Greyhawk    19 Apr 2004 04:34:35
Re: Why Big ships?    Ariel Sibal    19 Apr 2004 12:12:18
Re: Why Big ships?    Downer, Chris    19 Apr 2004 14:05:03

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