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From:     Ben Wafer <bwafer@????.ca>
Date:     Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:24:04 -0700
Subject:  Re: Why Big ships?
Thatotherguy wrote:

> No house is ever absolutely sealed.  A ship is.  And a ship probably
> doesn't have a perfect air envelope to start with (people have already
> been breathing it and whatnot).

I just took a course about fires last week, so I can clear up some
misconceptions here (although if there are any firefighters on the list,
I'm sure they can do a better job than me). Sometimes fires do erupt in
areas that are almost completely sealed (this is when backdraft
situations can occur: as soon as new oxygen is added to the mix you get
a huge explosion). Now when this happens the fire doesn't just put
itself out. First, by the time this has happened the fire has already
burned enough to reduce everything in the room to ashes (and this is
with a lot less oxygen than we would be talking about with an air
envelope). Second, the fire doesn't actually use up all of the oxygen.
Enough of the oxygen is replaced by other gases to keep open flame from
burning, but everything in the area will continue to smolder and
ultimately be destroyed. With the size of a ship's air envelope a fire
that was left unchecked would completely destroy the ship given time.
Even if the fire was belowdecks, and the belowdecks area was completely
sealed off from the rest of the air envelope, the fire would completely
gut the ship, and make its structure untenable (this is much more
comparable to the situations in RL which cause backdrafts).

> I would have to check my rules for that but I don't see those tiny
> fires that might not even catch as the fires SJ rules cover.  SJ rules
> fires I consider to be the big blazes.  Like when the sails catch or a
> lantern full of oil falls on the deck.

This I totally agree with. With the type of timbers used on a ship, it
would not be easy to start a fire. Of course, once a fire *was* started
you would have to put it out fast and make sure that it really was out.
Otherwise, it could smoulder in unseen places (even inside damaged
timbers) for days before it suddenly becomes a disaster again.


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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
Why Big ships?    Adam Miller    21 May 2002 21:55:07
Re: Why Big ships?    Rian A. McMurtry    21 May 2002 21:59:31
Re: Why Big ships?    Andrew Ellem    21 May 2002 22:12:08
Re: Why Big ships?    Mark T. Doolan    21 May 2002 22:27:17
Re: Why Big ships?    Michael Sandy    21 May 2002 22:41:19
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    22 May 2002 03:03:27
Re: Why Big ships?    Flits3 Frietmuts    22 May 2002 07:29:12
Re: Why Big ships?    Downer, Chris    22 May 2002 12:00:54
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    22 May 2002 13:08:19
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    22 May 2002 13:09:29
Re: Why Big ships?    Burt Zoellick    22 May 2002 21:56:05
Re: Why Big ships?    Abbadon the Dark Angel of Morning    23 May 2002 01:53:52
Re: Why Big ships?    Sebastian Lucier    23 May 2002 15:13:56
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    24 May 2002 03:00:48
Re: Why Big ships?    Diane Morrison    25 May 2002 03:20:40
Re: Why Big ships?    Adam Miller    30 May 2002 22:52:29
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    31 May 2002 15:50:14
Re: Why Big ships?    Mark Doolan    31 May 2002 18:02:35
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    01 Jun 2002 05:14:01
Re: Why Big ships?    Chris W    01 Jun 2002 11:56:42
Re: Why Big ships?    Richard Myers    01 Jun 2002 14:30:06
Re: Why Big ships?    Chris W    01 Jun 2002 15:07:39
Re: Why Big ships?    Diane Morrison    02 Jun 2002 19:50:52
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    03 Jun 2002 14:42:30
Re: Why Big ships?    Chris W    03 Jun 2002 22:10:44
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    03 Jun 2002 23:30:58
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    04 Jun 2002 03:43:34
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    04 Jun 2002 13:26:23
Re: Why Big ships?    George LaValle    04 Jun 2002 20:28:50
Re: Why Big ships?    Michael Sandy    05 Jun 2002 04:43:16
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    05 Jun 2002 13:10:54
Re: Why Big ships?    Paul Westermeyer    05 Jun 2002 16:47:31
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    05 Jun 2002 19:24:04
Re: Why Big ships?    Thatotherguy    06 Jun 2002 12:48:45
Re: Why Big ships?    Diane Morrison    06 Jun 2002 16:21:06
Re: Why Big ships?    Ben Wafer    06 Jun 2002 21:30:34
Re: Why Big ships?    David Stairs    16 Apr 2004 09:37:03
Re: Why Big ships?    David Stairs    16 Apr 2004 10:49:44
Re: Why Big ships?    Steel Abjur    16 Apr 2004 11:16:42
Re: Why Big ships?    John_Greyhawk    19 Apr 2004 04:34:35
Re: Why Big ships?    Ariel Sibal    19 Apr 2004 12:12:18
Re: Why Big ships?    Downer, Chris    19 Apr 2004 14:05:03

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