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From:     Ben Wafer <bwafer@?????.net>
Date:     Wed, 9 May 2001 13:49:10 -0700
Subject:  Re: Metacultures
A Psh wrote:
> Hmm... Don't know for sure about this, though there is a Beholder god
Two, actually. There's Gzemnid, who you mentioned, and who was once a
mortal beholder; and then there's the Great Mother, who was the creator
of the beholder races. The Great Mother (who is highly intelligent with
a completely alien intelligence, highly chaotic, and who spends all of
her time gibbering and drifting endlessly-sort of reminds me of Azathoth
actually) spawned the first beholder, Kzamnal, and Kzamnal then gave
birth to other beholders (Gzemnid was in Kzamnal's first brood) and
instructed them to gather together all knowledge, "that the mortal
creatures might be like thier grandmother, the Great Mother, who knows
all." Most beholders believe that some of the Great Mother's children
gave birth to offspring that didn't resemble the Great Mother, thus
setting off the genocidal wars of the beholders. Scholars of Gzemnid, on
the other hand, believe that the Great Mother is so vast and complex
that she changes appearance from one moment to the next, and that she
lays eggs in batches, and each batch of eggs hatches mortal beholders
with whatever appearance the Great Mother had at the time she layed the
eggs.
> They are quite organically
> masterful themselves, apparently, because of all of the Beholder kin and
> abominations and such that they create.
Well, the beholder queens are the ones that create these abominations
and such. Your regular everyday beholder doesn't have the capability to
produce them, and wouldn't want to in any case.
> And there are even Beholder mages,
> though those are quite funky.
Of course, beholder mages are just regular beholders who have lost their
central eye (through accident or by design) and have learnt magic since
then.
> There are also the Gauths and Specators or whatever, Outer Planar Beholders
> from Mechanus (aka Nirvana) summoned to protect things. This might indicate
> some sort of divine origin for Beholders. (Are these the original watchers
> which then changed wildly to create the other strains?)
Not according to scholars. According to beholder scholars all
beholder-kin are the descendants of 'traitors' (in other words, they are
the descendants of true beholders who don't look the same as the
beholder talking). According to more neutral sages, beholder-kin are the
results of genetic mutation in true beholder mis-births. If these
mutations breed true (and, more importantly, if they manage to avoid
being destroyed by a furious parent) then they end up forming a breed of
beholder-kin. Beholder-kin (death kisses, eyes of the deep, gauth,
observers, and spectators) shouldn't be confused with beholder
abominations (directors, examiners, lensmen, overseers, and watchers),
because the former were accidentally created, and breed true, while the
latter are intentionally created by beholder queens, and are sterile.

--
The most merciful thing in all the world, I think, is the inability of
the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island
of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not
meant that we should voyage far.


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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
Metacultures    Adam Miller    02 May 2001 22:16:07
Re: Metacultures    Silmacar Halfelven    03 May 2001 09:52:00
Re: Metacultures    Sebastian Lucier    03 May 2001 15:40:47
Re: Metacultures    Richard Gant    03 May 2001 19:45:53
Re: Metacultures    Adam Miller    03 May 2001 22:41:45
Re: Metacultures    Adam Miller    03 May 2001 22:41:50
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    04 May 2001 04:39:22
Re: Metacultures    HeyJim    04 May 2001 06:12:23
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    04 May 2001 08:28:51
Re: Metacultures    Silmacar Halfelven    04 May 2001 13:07:27
Re: Metacultures    Silmacar Halfelven    04 May 2001 13:16:44
Re: Metacultures    Stephen Mumford    04 May 2001 15:21:05
Re: Metacultures    Richard Gant    04 May 2001 16:28:48
Re: Metacultures    Don Shaffer    05 May 2001 03:58:45
Re: Metacultures    Jim Clunie    05 May 2001 06:10:57
Re: Metacultures    Jim Clunie    05 May 2001 07:06:20
Re: Metacultures    Jim Clunie    05 May 2001 07:08:01
Re: Metacultures    HeyJim    05 May 2001 07:18:19
Re: Metacultures    Richard Gant    05 May 2001 20:08:45
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    05 May 2001 19:31:26
Re: Metacultures    Ken Keller, Jr.    06 May 2001 01:08:57
Re: Metacultures    Garou Ookami    06 May 2001 02:58:34
Re: Metacultures    Adam Miller    06 May 2001 18:38:12
Re: Metacultures    Ben Wafer    06 May 2001 22:49:56
Re: Metacultures    Don Shaffer    06 May 2001 23:22:25
Re: Metacultures    Garou Ookami    07 May 2001 00:54:05
Re: Metacultures    Rian A. McMurtry    07 May 2001 03:12:20
Re: Metacultures    Don Shaffer    07 May 2001 03:29:15
Re: Metacultures    Joseph Nathaniel Harrell    07 May 2001 14:29:17
Re: Metacultures    A Psh    07 May 2001 19:49:26
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    05 May 2001 17:54:03
Re: Metacultures    Don Shaffer    08 May 2001 03:02:53
Re: Metacultures    FC2 Daniel Davis    08 May 2001 10:46:31
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    08 May 2001 11:19:20
Re: Metacultures    FC2 Daniel Davis    08 May 2001 18:12:20
Re: Metacultures    A Psh    09 May 2001 19:48:59
Re: Metacultures    Ben Wafer    09 May 2001 20:49:10
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    16 May 2001 18:23:28
Re: Metacultures    GROG THE ALMIGHTY    16 May 2001 19:33:08
Re: Metacultures    GROG THE ALMIGHTY    16 May 2001 20:24:57
Re: Metacultures    GROG THE ALMIGHTY    16 May 2001 20:39:58
Re: Metacultures    FC2 Daniel Davis    17 May 2001 11:47:36
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    17 May 2001 19:49:34
Re: Metacultures    Rian A. McMurtry    17 May 2001 19:58:37
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    26 Jun 2001 16:22:04
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    26 Jun 2001 16:40:38
Re: Metacultures    Adam Miller    26 Jun 2001 23:22:36
Re: Metacultures    Paul Westermeyer    27 Jun 2001 08:09:19
Re: Metacultures    Dreamer    27 Jun 2001 09:21:12
Re: Metacultures    Jayson Cowan    27 Jun 2001 15:03:21
Re: Metacultures    Jayson Cowan    27 Jun 2001 16:05:23
Re: Metacultures    Dreamer    27 Jun 2001 17:38:34
Re: Metacultures    Downer, Chris    27 Jun 2001 19:01:23
Re: Metacultures    GROG THE ALMIGHTY    27 Jun 2001 20:11:43
Re: Metacultures    Buddy Murphy    27 Jun 2001 20:59:03
Re: Metacultures    Adam Miller    27 Jun 2001 21:43:51
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    27 Jun 2001 22:48:25
Re: Metacultures    HeyJim    27 Jun 2001 22:45:13
Re: Metacultures    Eric Anondson    27 Jun 2001 23:12:28
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    27 Jun 2001 23:50:06
Re: Metacultures    Eric Anondson    28 Jun 2001 01:15:40
Re: Metacultures    Ben Wafer    28 Jun 2001 02:04:42
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    28 Jun 2001 02:40:19
Re: Metacultures    Eric Anondson    28 Jun 2001 04:13:46
Re: Metacultures    Paul Westermeyer    28 Jun 2001 05:40:19
Re: Metacultures    Downer, Chris    28 Jun 2001 16:42:48
Re: Metacultures    Silmacar Halfelven    28 Jun 2001 21:51:39
Re: Metacultures    Silmacar Halfelven    28 Jun 2001 22:11:07
Re: Metacultures    Downer, Chris    29 Jun 2001 15:10:50
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    28 Jun 2001 22:34:57
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    28 Jun 2001 22:35:31
Re: Metacultures    woodelf (lists)    28 Jun 2001 22:57:10
Re: Metacultures    Silmacar Halfelven    29 Jun 2001 18:56:34
Re: Metacultures    GROG THE ALMIGHTY    29 Jun 2001 20:11:50
Re: Metacultures    GROG THE ALMIGHTY    29 Jun 2001 20:58:13
Re: Metacultures    Dreamer    29 Jun 2001 21:24:00
Re: Metacultures    Silmacar Halfelven    29 Jun 2001 22:31:48
Re: Metacultures    GROG THE ALMIGHTY    29 Jun 2001 23:55:51
Re: Metacultures    Adam Miller    30 Jun 2001 00:14:51
Re: Metacultures    Paul Westermeyer    30 Jun 2001 03:01:51
Re: Metacultures    Daniel Hájek Zucconi    30 Jun 2001 14:45:08
Re: Metacultures    George LaValle    30 Jun 2001 15:19:52

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