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From: john <jmccloud@????????.???.net> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:56:58 -0800 Subject: Re: Living sphere project
In the 3e PH, gnomes are mentioned as being technicians and inventors. They are skilled engineers with a curiousity for mechanical devices. It sounds like they tried to mix standard AD&D gnomes with tinker gnomes. Especially since they say the lawful gnomes are the engineers and researchers while chaotic gnomes are the tricksters (i.e. the illusionists). I think we can keep the ability score adjustments (+2 CON, -2 STR). Tinker gnomes need a high CON to survive all of the smoke and other hazardous conditions their engineering can create. Perhaps the STR penalty should be replaced with a -2 WIS instead. The tinkers are more bulked up due to all of the construction they engage in, and the lower WIS will reflect that some of their inventions and devices aren't such great ideas (like the gnomeflingers). However, I do think that the cantrips have to go for tinkers (the lawful gnomes) and the preferred class should not be Illusionist. Speak with Animals also has to go. Also, the bonus to Alchemy checks should be changed to something engineering-related. Finally they should lose the save bonus versus illusions. Maybe give them a +2 bonus versus poisons (those industrial toxics again). I like the idea of a Tinker prestige class. I am not sure on a preferred class, however. Someone mentioned including kenders. The 3e halflings look like kender than the traditional hobbit-like AD&D halflings. Perhaps kender are now just halflings with societal differences (like _borrowing_ things!). David Caveney wrote: > > Um, the stats as presented in the PHB won't really work.. I could go for > a mixed gnomish society (years of interbreeding) but it couldnt be as in > the PHB. Tinker gnomes have never had great constitution.. and the other > stuff isnt totally accurate either. The tinker variety wouldnt really > have those cantrips. Hmm. One new breed that can do either illusion or > inventing? that sound good? We could call it Gnome, Spacefaring, then > people wouldnt need to worry abotu two races of gnomes to learn. John McCloud jmccloud@????????.???.net
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| Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Marizhavashti Kali | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Graf | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | George Lavalle | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Leroy Van Camp III | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Lindharin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | David Caveney | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Marizhavashti Kali | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | True Seeker | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Richard Gant | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Leroy Van Camp III | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Rian A. McMurtry | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Boris Karpa | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Richard Gant | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Richard Gant | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Richard Gant | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Eric Anondson | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Michael Phillips | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Eric Anondson | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Lindharin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Michael Phillips | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Marizhavashti Kali | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ahzad | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | john | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Chrys murphy | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Paul Westermeyer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | True Seeker | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Marizhavashti Kali | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Silmacar Halfelven | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Graf | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Silmacar Halfelven | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Abbadon the Dark Angel of Morning | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ben Wafer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | David Caveney | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | David Caveney | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Andrew Tiffany | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | George Lavalle | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | David Caveney | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Jim Sheetz | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ben Wafer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | David Caveney | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Graf | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Paul Westermeyer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ahzad | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Patrick Stutzman | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | avrjoe | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Silmacar Halfelven | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ben Wafer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | David Caveney | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Jim Sheetz | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Lindharin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ben Wafer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Jim Sheetz | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Tilaurin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Lindharin | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ben Wafer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | J E Leinen | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Leroy Van Camp III | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Kelly St.Clair | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Adam Miller | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Jim Sheetz | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ben Wafer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Jim Sheetz | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | john | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | john | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Ben Wafer | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Shawn A. Murray L.M.P. | |||
| Re: Living sphere project | Wizards Shopper |