Re: Spelljamming

Thatotherguy wrote:

> > With a large level differential, though--say 15% chance of
> success-it's
> > not worth it. Though you could switch to Anti-Magic Shell.
>
> And not be able to get there yourself.  The point is the defended
> entry requires magic to reach (I guess a thief could try to climb
> walls but that's slow and risky).
>
> > > But first you have to know the trap's there
> > > and second you have to get in range in a manner that will let you
> > > perform the casting (spider climb should leave you clinging to the
> > > cliff and a dragon that can control weather or put up those
> permanent
> > > gusts of wind doesn't have a lot to worry about).
> >
> > Say that again, please. Why wouldn't spider climb work? The winds
> can't
> > knock you off, and it'll get you up the cliff just as well as
> levitation.
>
> You can't cast spells when you get there because you're holding on to
> the wall.  You need to negate the repulsion.  And leviation lets you
> get pushed around by the winds.  Like right into the cliff face for
> some nice damage.
>
> > > Let's assume that if nothing else our dragon slayer wanna bes
> > > discovered the repulsion the hard way. :)
> >
> > A previous companion? (Or rival.)
>
> Them.
>
> > And the simplest one is just
> > to cast Enlarge on myself, increasing my mass by twentyfold or more.
>
> Now you catch even more wind and get pushed around even easier.
> Remember a fly spell isn't like real wings, it doesn't help you fight
> the wind anymore than its flying movement rate will allow (whereas a
> dragon massive wings and wing muscles combined with its mass let it
> ignore the local winds).
>
> > How about a tame beholder, Dominated and using its disintegration eye?
> > Since we play SJ, we know it shouldn't be *that* difficult to steal
> one,
> > or even hire one instead.
>
> Why not just dominate the dragon and be done with it?
>
> > You can cast your Levitate or Fly on the zombie.
>
> But it's still no good as a scout or at negating the repulsion.
>
> > But then you still have the problem of extracting the image of the
> > interior from its mind so you can teleport inside. I was thinking of
> this
> > in combination with the Magic Jar or Sight Link variant.
>
> A zombie wouldn't really have a mind to trade places with with magic
> jar and sight link is another scrying spell.
>
> > Okay, before reading your message today, I had thought this was the
> real
> > entrance, the one that the dragon himself used. If it's not, the
> point is
> > moot. I'll *know* the entrance the dragon uses, and that's the same
> one
> > I'll use. Or else just Phase Door through the side wall. <evil grin>
>
> Actually the dragon's anti-scrying spells will prevent you from
> learning his entrance (throw a few on himself along with invisibility
> and you can't track him either).  For phase door don't you have to
> prepare or know your destination or something?
>
> > One possible way to do this is to Rock to Mud the one entrance,
> Reduce and
> > Fly on one's self, and hide. See if the dragon comes out. If he ever
> does,
> > 1.) you know there's another entrance, and 2.) you can follow him
> back in.
> > I wouldn't recommend doing this in your own body, just in case.
>
> He's still invisible and simply uses stone shape to repair his
> entrance.  Now he's alerted that someone (someone with at least 5th
> level spells) is trying to get at him.  Now you're the prey and he's
> the hunter.  It was nice you became a lizard snack.

I got an Idea.  Become ethereal, and walk through the mountain until you find
his lair since you can ignore any elements on the prime now,  once you find it,
if he is not there, prepare for him, dispell traps and other things.  If he is
there see what he does, learn about him so that when he does leave you can set
a trap of your own.