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From:     Michael Childs <miachel@???????.com>
Date:     Mon, 02 Feb 1998 06:26:39 PST
Subject:  Re: IEN Fascists?
>From: Magistar2 <Magistar2@???.com>

>
>Think a moment, what we veiw as evil others might veiw as good.  Each
side of
>the war consider their sides to be good, after all, we'll we might veiw
the
>nazis as chaotic and evil, they would consider themselves lawful and
good.

Nazis chaotic evil?  They had a dictatorship!  The elves are considered
chaotic and in the Monstrous Manual it says, "Elves value their
individual freedom highly . . ." This was not the case in Nazi Germany,
at least not what I hear from the americans.  It is one of the problems
with the alignment in AD&D.  Lawful is considered good and chaotic is
viewed as evil.  However, chaotic is described as valuing individual
freedom.

>Also, the elves wanted genocide for a reason, elves and goblins prey on
each other.  When they were wild this kept both populations in check,
now that they are social the dominent side must win.  So which one would
you like controlling space?  Goblins or Elves (Which I think will
definettly loosen up greatly after the loss of the threat real or
imagined)  Think about, goblins have attack elves since the dawn of
time, so in case we might see genocide, they see acts of goodfulness.
Especially due to that the goblins are evil. However what was meant to
be good has turned evil.  They are fanatics- redoubled for efforts but
lost their goals.  Right now I think someone should walk up to the elven
senate and set them straight!
>*********************************************************************
>
As for good and evil.  Goblins are considered evil, for what, they will
kill just for the pleasure of it.  Lots of humans will kill just for the
pleasure of it, they call it hunting.  As for their tendency to spoil
their habitat, so did humans.
  Some may consider slavery as evil but it fits more with the
lawful/chaotic part of the alignment.  Chaotic societies believe in
individual freedom and would not have slaves, Goblins are lawful and
everything has its place in their society including the slaves.
  As for their appetite for eating humans and demihumans, they use all
the useful material from the game the kill, which would make them better
then some humans today.  All in all, the goblins do not appear to be an
evil race, merely a race that is very similar to a less developed group
of humans.

The true evil is the people that are organising a campaign of genocide
against these misunderstood, primitive creatures.


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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    18 Jan 1998 15:54:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    19 Jan 1998 00:10:47
Re: IEN Fascists?    Toby Mekelburg    19 Jan 1998 04:46:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    19 Jan 1998 15:25:27
Re: IEN Fascists?    Paul and Kelly Westermeyer    19 Jan 1998 15:37:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    Bill McCrimmon    19 Jan 1998 18:39:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    19 Jan 1998 22:29:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    19 Jan 1998 23:15:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 00:02:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    19 Jan 1998 23:42:35
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    19 Jan 1998 16:22:05
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 04:10:26
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 04:41:16
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    19 Jan 1998 21:58:50
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 02:21:34
Re: IEN Fascists?    Paul and Kelly Westermeyer    20 Jan 1998 09:00:03
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    20 Jan 1998 14:11:35
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 16:59:29
Re: IEN Fascists?    Kevin Scardino    20 Jan 1998 17:51:55
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 18:30:12
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 17:47:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 18:01:24
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    20 Jan 1998 20:36:40
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 21:43:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 21:50:38
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 22:07:08
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 21:56:24
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 22:00:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 22:15:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 21:15:24
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 22:13:06
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 22:53:38
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    20 Jan 1998 23:23:15
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    20 Jan 1998 23:35:22
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    21 Jan 1998 00:00:27
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 00:05:43
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 23:58:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    21 Jan 1998 00:04:03
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    21 Jan 1998 00:12:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    21 Jan 1998 00:12:55
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 23:49:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 23:48:36
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    20 Jan 1998 23:59:26
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 22:06:57
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    21 Jan 1998 02:29:12
Re: IEN Fascists?    Toby Mekelburg    21 Jan 1998 02:24:11
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 22:16:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    21 Jan 1998 02:40:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 03:19:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 03:40:04
Re: IEN Fascists?    Kelly St.Clair    21 Jan 1998 08:51:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    cowboybd@???????.??.??-??????.de    21 Jan 1998 12:08:28
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    21 Jan 1998 16:28:36
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:32:52
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    21 Jan 1998 16:32:57
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:33:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 22:34:44
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:49:04
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:45:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 18:33:33
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 18:43:01
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 19:15:23
Re: IEN Fascists?    John McCloud    21 Jan 1998 20:21:36
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    21 Jan 1998 20:58:52
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 14:24:17
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 16:30:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 20:57:06
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 21:51:37
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 21:43:17
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 21:57:19
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:01:29
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:05:59
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:08:49
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:14:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:10:14
Re: IEN Fascists?    Areus    23 Jan 1998 10:45:22
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 22:47:01
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 21:47:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 22:49:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 21:51:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 21:55:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:02:00
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:07:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:15:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:10:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:23:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:27:28
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:28:18
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:25:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:29:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:32:15
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:36:41
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:31:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:43:44
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:45:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:47:34
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:58:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:48:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:51:15
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    23 Jan 1998 00:15:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    23 Jan 1998 01:16:10
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    23 Jan 1998 01:18:33
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    22 Jan 1998 13:45:10
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    23 Jan 1998 01:30:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    23 Jan 1998 19:25:14
IEN Fascists?    David Sarkies    24 Jan 1998 03:57:58
Re: IEN Fascists?    David Sarkies    24 Jan 1998 04:00:51
IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    18 Jan 1998 15:54:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    26 Jan 1998 02:05:07
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    26 Jan 1998 02:07:49
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 02:53:11
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:02:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:04:35
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:15:06
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:18:58
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    26 Jan 1998 21:26:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    27 Jan 1998 16:16:09
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    27 Jan 1998 22:28:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    27 Jan 1998 22:36:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    26 Jan 1998 21:26:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    31 Jan 1998 16:12:12
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    31 Jan 1998 17:55:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    DiabloChico    31 Jan 1998 22:31:05
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    01 Feb 1998 16:43:34
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    01 Feb 1998 18:21:04
Re: IEN Fascists?    Voidwolf@???.com    02 Feb 1998 03:32:02
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    02 Feb 1998 14:26:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    02 Feb 1998 15:39:03
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    02 Feb 1998 16:37:58
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    02 Feb 1998 18:44:10
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:32:19
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:34:48
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:42:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:48:17
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    03 Feb 1998 22:55:39
IEN Fascists?    David Sarkies    04 Feb 1998 12:47:55
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    04 Feb 1998 15:44:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    09 Feb 1998 17:06:47
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel Sheff    16 Feb 1998 03:38:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    19 Feb 1998 20:32:22
Re: IEN Fascists?    Sue Brown    19 Feb 1998 21:03:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Kevin Scardino    19 Feb 1998 21:45:14
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Feb 1998 17:09:39

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