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From:     gantr@???.edu
Date:     Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:10:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:  Re: IEN Fascists?
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Magistar2 wrote:

> True True, the elves patrolling wildspace, rescuing people, and doing the
> dirty work for other races.  Also, think about, the elves are commiting
> genocide on an evil race!

So?  Genocide is genocide.  Definitions of evil may vary, but the
systematic attempt to exterminate an entire species is an evil act.
Justifying it by claiming self-defense, or that they are "evil", or any
other excuse that you can think of does not change this fact.  Genocide
against an evil race is no more justified than against any other race.

Furthermore, it was not just one race.  They targeted the entire group
they term "goblinoids":  orcs, ogres, goblins, hobgoblins, bugbears,
kobolds, etc.  They also did it as a carefully orchestrated, well thought
out effort.  It was not because the "goblinoids" forced them into the
position of kill or be killed;  they struck first as a "preventative
measure" against a group of races that would never have been able to be a
real threat to them.  It was far more like the Final Solution of the
Nazis than anything else.


> I meen that can't be to bad.

Evil is evil.  At least the "goblinoids" never tried to justify what they
were doing.


> And besides, can you imagine the goblin population without elves?  It
> would be astronomical!

Eugenics, eh?  That's a valid reason to atempt to exterminate entire
species and civilizations, isn't it?  Who's next on the hit parade, by
that logic?  Humans?  Halflings?  Thri-kreen?  Those three species would
also be valid targets by that logic;  they all breed quickly.  For that
matter, humans consistantly have proven to be a threat to elves and
thri-kreen consider them a delicacy.  Perhaps the next Elven War of
Extermination will be directed against humanity.


> So just think a moment before you judge.

I did.  That's why I condemned them.

> (Refer to them as an 1890s style British Empire, starting to break down
> but still full of glory!)

Opium wars.  African colonialism.  India.

Rich Gant


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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    18 Jan 1998 15:54:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    19 Jan 1998 00:10:47
Re: IEN Fascists?    Toby Mekelburg    19 Jan 1998 04:46:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    19 Jan 1998 15:25:27
Re: IEN Fascists?    Paul and Kelly Westermeyer    19 Jan 1998 15:37:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    Bill McCrimmon    19 Jan 1998 18:39:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    19 Jan 1998 22:29:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    19 Jan 1998 23:15:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 00:02:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    19 Jan 1998 23:42:35
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    19 Jan 1998 16:22:05
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 04:10:26
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 04:41:16
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    19 Jan 1998 21:58:50
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 02:21:34
Re: IEN Fascists?    Paul and Kelly Westermeyer    20 Jan 1998 09:00:03
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    20 Jan 1998 14:11:35
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 16:59:29
Re: IEN Fascists?    Kevin Scardino    20 Jan 1998 17:51:55
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 18:30:12
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 17:47:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 18:01:24
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    20 Jan 1998 20:36:40
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 21:43:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 21:50:38
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 22:07:08
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 21:56:24
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 22:00:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 22:15:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    20 Jan 1998 21:15:24
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 22:13:06
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Jan 1998 22:53:38
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    20 Jan 1998 23:23:15
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    20 Jan 1998 23:35:22
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    21 Jan 1998 00:00:27
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 00:05:43
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 23:58:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    21 Jan 1998 00:04:03
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    21 Jan 1998 00:12:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Adam Miller    21 Jan 1998 00:12:55
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 23:49:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    20 Jan 1998 23:48:36
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    20 Jan 1998 23:59:26
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 22:06:57
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    21 Jan 1998 02:29:12
Re: IEN Fascists?    Toby Mekelburg    21 Jan 1998 02:24:11
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 22:16:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    21 Jan 1998 02:40:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 03:19:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 03:40:04
Re: IEN Fascists?    Kelly St.Clair    21 Jan 1998 08:51:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    cowboybd@???????.??.??-??????.de    21 Jan 1998 12:08:28
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    21 Jan 1998 16:28:36
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:32:52
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    21 Jan 1998 16:32:57
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:33:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    20 Jan 1998 22:34:44
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:49:04
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 17:45:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 18:33:33
Re: IEN Fascists?    Static    21 Jan 1998 18:43:01
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    21 Jan 1998 19:15:23
Re: IEN Fascists?    John McCloud    21 Jan 1998 20:21:36
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    21 Jan 1998 20:58:52
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 14:24:17
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 16:30:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 20:57:06
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 21:51:37
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 21:43:17
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 21:57:19
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:01:29
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:05:59
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:08:49
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:14:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 22:10:14
Re: IEN Fascists?    Areus    23 Jan 1998 10:45:22
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 22:47:01
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 21:47:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 22:49:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 21:51:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    22 Jan 1998 21:55:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:02:00
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:07:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:15:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:10:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:23:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:27:28
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    22 Jan 1998 23:28:18
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:25:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:29:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:32:15
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:36:41
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:31:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:43:44
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:45:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:47:34
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    22 Jan 1998 23:58:20
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:48:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    22 Jan 1998 23:51:15
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    23 Jan 1998 00:15:51
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    23 Jan 1998 01:16:10
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    23 Jan 1998 01:18:33
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    22 Jan 1998 13:45:10
Re: IEN Fascists?    Jeremy G.    23 Jan 1998 01:30:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    23 Jan 1998 19:25:14
IEN Fascists?    David Sarkies    24 Jan 1998 03:57:58
Re: IEN Fascists?    David Sarkies    24 Jan 1998 04:00:51
IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    18 Jan 1998 15:54:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    26 Jan 1998 02:05:07
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    26 Jan 1998 02:07:49
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 02:53:11
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:02:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:04:35
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:15:06
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel K. Sheff    26 Jan 1998 03:18:58
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    26 Jan 1998 21:26:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    27 Jan 1998 16:16:09
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    27 Jan 1998 22:28:53
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2    27 Jan 1998 22:36:25
Re: IEN Fascists?    Wilson, M.D.    26 Jan 1998 21:26:30
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    31 Jan 1998 16:12:12
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    31 Jan 1998 17:55:32
Re: IEN Fascists?    DiabloChico    31 Jan 1998 22:31:05
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    01 Feb 1998 16:43:34
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    01 Feb 1998 18:21:04
Re: IEN Fascists?    Voidwolf@???.com    02 Feb 1998 03:32:02
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    02 Feb 1998 14:26:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    steve swenson    02 Feb 1998 15:39:03
Re: IEN Fascists?    Michael Childs    02 Feb 1998 16:37:58
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    02 Feb 1998 18:44:10
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:32:19
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:34:48
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:42:39
Re: IEN Fascists?    Magistar2@???.com    03 Feb 1998 22:48:17
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    03 Feb 1998 22:55:39
IEN Fascists?    David Sarkies    04 Feb 1998 12:47:55
Re: IEN Fascists?    gantr@???.edu    04 Feb 1998 15:44:45
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    09 Feb 1998 17:06:47
Re: IEN Fascists?    Daniel Sheff    16 Feb 1998 03:38:54
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    19 Feb 1998 20:32:22
Re: IEN Fascists?    Sue Brown    19 Feb 1998 21:03:46
Re: IEN Fascists?    Kevin Scardino    19 Feb 1998 21:45:14
Re: IEN Fascists?    Downer, Chris    20 Feb 1998 17:09:39

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