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From:     Adam Miller <nghtdrud@??????.net>
Date:     Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:32:38 -0500
Subject:  Re: Unhuman War
Ok, now that silliness is over, I do want to ask a serious question. 
The first Unhuman war was a fight between the elves and goblin-kin,
right?  Well, the question is: exactly how was it that the goblin-kin
ever became so dangerous that a war was needed to fight them? Before you
answer, please consider these points:

*Goblin-kin are weak.  The stardard goblin, orc, and kobold is less than
1 HD.  I've found that they are too pitiful to send against any party of
higher level than 6th (I believe that most spelljamming officers would
be a minimum of 8th, just to afford the finances of the game).  So thus,
unless a crew parked they're ship next to the Citadel of Many Arrows,
goblins would be unable to take the ship by force.

*Goblin-kin are poor.  Spelljamming costs money.  Big money.  I once
calculated a good hammership out to 1 million gp, w/out magic weapons. 
Only the most massive tribe could afford such finances, and I would
imagine they would be more likely to spend that money to buy allies to
attack ground-based targets (such as hiring ogre mercs to lead the
attack on an elvish outpost).  In addition, would the Arcane, whom are
cowards in the extreme, put their lives on the line by visiting such a
"backwater and barbaric" people, just to sell a single minor helm?  (the
goblins would most likely decide the Arcane would make a good dinner).

*Goblin-kin magic is weak.  The highest level of spellcaster that they
have is what, 7th?  That means that the REALLY deadly spells and magic
is wll out of their reach (ever think of what a well-placed Cloudkill
could do to even an ogre ship (remember, no save unless you have more
than 4 HD)).  Their ships would be slow and weak on magic, easy pickings
for a group of adventurers or a well-equiped elvish ship (I'd imagine
that their ships would have to be roughly equal to really good
adventurers, otherwise the fleet would be extinct by now).

*The psycological barrier.  Spelljamming is a concept that is very hard
to grasp, at least as far as ordinary people go.  Going into space (the
great unknown) can make one feel meek and frighten even the bravest soul
(for this effect, I refer to Into the Void, where Telden was reduced to
a near-child-like state at least once).  Space is a very dangerous
enviroment.  Given the already weak magic of the goblins, they would
have a very hard time compensating for any disasters that may strike. 
In all likelyhood, they would keep any ships that they would aquire
close to home, to use as battle platforms to attack enemy targets.

	These are all the obsicles that I can think of right now, but I'm sure
there are many more.  I post this only out of couriosity.  I want to see
what you guys can come up with, as I've already developed some ideas of
my own, which I'll post later.  

Night Druid.


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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
Unhuman War    Adam Miller    29 Jul 1997 12:32:38
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    29 Jul 1997 16:03:10
Re: Unhuman War    Jonathan Stevenson    29 Jul 1997 18:27:29
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    29 Jul 1997 16:57:29
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    29 Jul 1997 21:53:12
Re: Unhuman War    Ze`ev Posner    29 Jul 1997 19:06:57
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    30 Jul 1997 15:46:25
Re: Unhuman War    Static    30 Jul 1997 21:45:28
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    30 Jul 1997 22:45:47
Re: Unhuman War    Jeremy G.    31 Jul 1997 04:32:50
Re: Unhuman War    Static    31 Jul 1997 13:54:13
Re: Unhuman War    Static    31 Jul 1997 14:29:36
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    31 Jul 1997 15:01:15
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    31 Jul 1997 15:11:14
Re: Unhuman War    Jeremy G.    31 Jul 1997 17:49:43
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    31 Jul 1997 18:04:48
Re: Unhuman War    Jeremy G.    31 Jul 1997 18:12:37
Re: Unhuman War    Matthew Dean Reynolds    31 Jul 1997 19:29:19
Re: Unhuman War    scott@??????.????????.com    31 Jul 1997 20:52:53
Re: Unhuman War    Robert7117@???.com    01 Aug 1997 01:18:01
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    01 Aug 1997 01:12:29
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    01 Aug 1997 01:12:33
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami@???.com    01 Aug 1997 13:06:14
Re: Unhuman War    Jeremy G.    01 Aug 1997 05:25:31
Re: Unhuman War    Static    01 Aug 1997 14:50:20
Re: Unhuman War    Hand of God    01 Aug 1997 14:56:20
Re: Unhuman War    Static    01 Aug 1997 14:45:11
Re: Unhuman War    Niall Hosking    01 Aug 1997 16:08:12
Re: Unhuman War    Mystaros@???.com    02 Aug 1997 04:47:35
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    04 Aug 1997 15:32:38
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    04 Aug 1997 15:41:47
Re: Unhuman War    Static    04 Aug 1997 19:36:12
Re: Unhuman War    Jeremy G.    04 Aug 1997 22:15:19
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami@???.com    05 Aug 1997 03:46:55
Re: Unhuman War    Robert7117@???.com    05 Aug 1997 23:14:13
Re: Unhuman War    S. Wilson    16 Aug 1997 02:05:48
Re: Unhuman War    S. Wilson    16 Aug 1997 02:19:45
Re: Unhuman War    S. Wilson    16 Aug 1997 02:13:42
Re: Unhuman War    S. Wilson    16 Aug 1997 02:32:51
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    17 Aug 1997 11:43:44
Unhuman War    Ford Timelord    28 Feb 1998 02:10:01
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    27 Feb 1998 23:01:08
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    01 Mar 1998 15:37:17
Re: Unhuman War    Darrell Lalonde    02 Mar 1998 05:44:25
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    02 Mar 1998 15:21:37
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    02 Mar 1998 13:17:20
Re: Unhuman War    Abe Brown    02 Mar 1998 21:04:45
Re: Unhuman War    Static    02 Mar 1998 22:58:00
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    02 Mar 1998 23:14:46
Re: Unhuman War    Shane Bryan    02 Mar 1998 21:49:05
Re: Unhuman War    Shane Bryan    02 Mar 1998 22:04:52
Re: Unhuman War    daqueri    03 Jan 1980 12:46:25
Re: Unhuman War    John McCloud    03 Mar 1998 01:45:31
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    02 Mar 1998 22:23:28
Re: Unhuman War    Kevin Scardino    03 Mar 1998 02:02:39
Re: Unhuman War    Static    03 Mar 1998 04:53:49
Re: Unhuman War    John McCloud    03 Mar 1998 03:06:18
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    03 Mar 1998 03:57:17
Re: Unhuman War    Adam Miller    03 Mar 1998 03:57:21
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    03 Mar 1998 02:22:12
Re: Unhuman War    Abe Brown    03 Mar 1998 15:41:55
Re: Unhuman War    Static    03 Mar 1998 16:41:35
Re: Unhuman War    daqueri    04 Jan 1980 06:11:53
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    03 Mar 1998 22:59:30
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    03 Mar 1998 23:00:46
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    03 Mar 1998 23:05:44
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    03 Mar 1998 23:13:59
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    03 Mar 1998 23:56:49
Re: Unhuman War    David Sarkies    04 Mar 1998 00:29:45
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 00:43:53
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 00:49:37
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 01:10:20
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    03 Mar 1998 21:06:30
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 01:21:29
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 01:25:44
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    03 Mar 1998 20:34:17
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 01:33:10
Re: Unhuman War    Shane Bryan    04 Mar 1998 05:31:59
Re: Unhuman War    Shane Bryan    04 Mar 1998 05:33:50
Re: Unhuman War    Static    04 Mar 1998 06:18:05
Re: Unhuman War    Lee Derieux    04 Mar 1998 07:08:11
Re: Unhuman War    Sue Brown    04 Mar 1998 08:25:04
Re: Unhuman War    Sue Brown    04 Mar 1998 08:25:02
Re: Unhuman War    John McCloud    04 Mar 1998 20:07:16
Re: Unhuman War    John McCloud    04 Mar 1998 20:19:45
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    04 Mar 1998 22:31:27
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 21:18:27
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    05 Mar 1998 03:27:52
Re: Unhuman War    daqueri    05 Jan 1980 15:04:07
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    05 Mar 1998 03:07:21
Re: Unhuman War    Jeremy G.    05 Mar 1998 04:50:40
Unhuman War    mfaison    05 Mar 1998 22:56:09
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    04 Mar 1998 20:41:02
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 21:21:26
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    04 Mar 1998 22:57:20
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    04 Mar 1998 20:38:12
Re: Unhuman War    Static    05 Mar 1998 04:24:01
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    04 Mar 1998 20:48:36
Re: Unhuman War    JBB3@???????.net    06 Mar 1998 04:57:02
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    05 Mar 1998 22:27:44
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    05 Mar 1998 22:38:31
Re: Unhuman War    Toby Mekelburg    05 Mar 1998 05:41:09
Re: Unhuman War    daqueri    05 Jan 1980 14:35:36
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    05 Mar 1998 02:48:53
Re: Unhuman War    gantr@???.edu    04 Mar 1998 21:58:34
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    06 Mar 1998 15:04:16
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    06 Mar 1998 15:12:17
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    06 Mar 1998 15:22:04
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    06 Mar 1998 15:42:38
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    06 Mar 1998 13:35:10
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    06 Mar 1998 19:00:11
Re: Unhuman War    Downer, Chris    06 Mar 1998 20:22:09
Re: Unhuman War    Wilson, M.D.    06 Mar 1998 21:53:25
Unhuman War    kniese@????????.nl    07 Mar 1998 06:54:32
Unhuman War    kniese@????????.nl    07 Mar 1998 14:09:39
Re: Unhuman War    gaijin@???????.???.net    09 Mar 1998 00:42:07
Re: Unhuman War    Mutami    09 Mar 1998 01:42:25
Re: Unhuman War    John McCloud    09 Mar 1998 20:46:53

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