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From:     Matt Tong <mtong@???.???????.???.??.us>
Date:     Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:07:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:  Re: Nifty Idea
At 02:57 AM 9/12/96 GMT, you wrote:
>
>>At 06:49 PM 9/10/96 GMT, you wrote:
>>>Isn't glassteel dispellable? One dispel magic and everyone would die.
>>>jamie
>>
>>A couple things.
>>
>>1) There's be a lot of glassteel spells to be disppelled(100/ton if a 20th
>>level mage is casting glassteel, more if lower level mages are used.
>
>Dispel ia an area effect spell (it's a spell, not an item being dispelled).
The area of effect
>is 30x30. Woc lists that as the equivalent of a 10 ton ship. (Book 1 , page 65)
>
>

My bad. Although some DM's would rule that glassteel is an enchanted item...

>>2) Disenchanted glassteel is glass. It would make the disinchanted part of
>>the ship fragile(one hit would shatter that part probably) but it would not
>>kill everyone instantly.
>
>The good news is the dispelling mage would almost have to be on board the
glassteel ship, so
>it's unlikely the spell would be thrown.
>
>The bad news is, the shrapnel from a hit on regular glass, such as after a
dispel, would
>probably cause an effect similar to Shrapnel Shot, or the like.
>

True but the point I was making was that singlehandedly it wouldn't destroy
the ship.

>
>>3) Depending on the dm glassteel may or may not be dispellable. It is
>>alteration and alters the material into something like transparent steel.
>>Some DM's would rule that although the effects are permenent, the spell
>>itself it instantaneous, lasting only the second needed to change the glass
>>in which case there would be no magic to be dispelled. However since the
>>material is no longer magic, depending on the dm it could be vulnerable to a
>>2nd level shatter spell depending on whether it's hard crystal or like-steel.
>
>No longer magic? Glass as strong as steel? The best you could hope for
would probably be that
>the Dispelling mage would have to be of higher level than the mage casting
the Glasteel (and
>that only applies to spells cast on the mage), similar to the Permanency
spell. After all,
>unless Enchant An Item is used, it's not a magic item, just a permanent spell.

Ok. The question is, does glassteel actually alter the item or not. Does
lead turned to gold remain magic? or is it just gold? I would say that since
it is alteration and says it turns glass to glassteel(not merely enchants it
to steel like strengh). The spell just alters the glass and then stops(same
as mend and such). Also think of the magic web(or whatever your world uses)
Does it make sense to have a spell that lasts forever or a spell that's
effects last forever. A tree destroyed by a fireball is still destroyed if a
dispel magic is cast at the stump.

I can see your point here. I was saying that some DM's would rule this way.
However there are more ways than enchant an item to enchant an item. (All
depending on the DM's decretion of course). I would rule that if glassteel
is considered still magic then glassteel is enchanted glass. Remember that
it is an eighth level spell, which is a higher level than limited wish, and
only a level lower than the wish itself. Thinking about it, if anything it
should be a lower level. If the instantaneus method is not used, it should
at least be a magic item.

Spells such as polymorph make it seem as though maybe it could be
dispelled(polymorph can). However the desciption of polymorph spends a
paragraph telling us how it *can* be dispelled so maybe it's an exception
rather than the rule.

>Remeber, Glassteel is the same level as permanency, and does a touch more,
as permanency makes
>another spell permanent, Glasteel makes itself permanent. It shouldn't be
*harder* to dispel
>than Permanency, or in any way stronger.

This I really disagree with. Lots of spells make themselves permenent.
Permenency is making non-permenent spells permenent. That's really powerful!
Even some 1st level spells make themselves permenent(Does erase erase a
message or merely hide it? Can it be dispelled? Or mending? Depends on the DM.)


>>So the amount of damage a dispel magic would do would far less damage than
>>other 3rd level spells.
>
>I'm not so sure about that. More, I think.
>

I think it's about the same. Consider fireball and lightning bolt, if not to
the ship itself than to the crew. Without the crew the ship means little.
However with your description of its effects on the ship rather than mine, I
can see how it could be considered more deadly.
MaTT



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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
Nifty Idea    Matt Tong    10 Sep 1996 00:07:02
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    10 Sep 1996 00:28:55
Re: Nifty Idea    Alvin Lee    10 Sep 1996 05:30:53
Re: Nifty Idea    Jamie McGarty    10 Sep 1996 18:51:27
Re: Nifty Idea    Alvin Lee    11 Sep 1996 03:46:11
Re: Nifty Idea    Toby Mekelburg    11 Sep 1996 04:47:12
Re: Nifty Idea    Matt Tong    12 Sep 1996 02:38:08
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    12 Sep 1996 02:51:10
Re: Nifty Idea    Alvin Lee    12 Sep 1996 05:33:52
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    12 Sep 1996 05:40:48
Re: Nifty Idea    Jamie McGarty    12 Sep 1996 19:31:42
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    12 Sep 1996 21:21:27
Re: Nifty Idea    Ian Bowley    13 Sep 1996 02:04:00
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    13 Sep 1996 02:25:30
Re: Nifty Idea    Matt Tong    13 Sep 1996 19:07:37
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    13 Sep 1996 20:09:10
Re: Nifty Idea    Matt Tong    15 Sep 1996 23:14:35
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    15 Sep 1996 23:29:12
Re: Nifty Idea    Matt Tong    16 Sep 1996 20:08:32
Re: Nifty Idea    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    16 Sep 1996 20:52:17

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