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From:     Deviant <deviant@????????.??.ca>
Date:     Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:41:07 -0500
Subject:  Re: Tohr-Kreen and the Origin of the Species
Thomas O. Magann Jr. wrote:
>
> >Well, Athas is a certainly unique place. And the introduction of a new
> >race into that environment would certainly cause adaptations in the
> >race. You addressed the possiblity that the Thri-Kreen originated on
> >Athas, now examine the other possibility: That the Thri-Kreen are
> >foreigners there. Not to mention it is just as likely that all
> >Thri-Kreen devolved simultaneously in the same way, as to assume that
> >parallel evolution created a similar race called the Thri-Kreen in a
> >wholly different environment. Unless of course the sphere isn't closed.
> >Heh.
>
> Well, just because the Sphere is closed, don't forget Planar travel. Yes,
> it's difficult for no priests, but fairly easy for a priest, especially if
> the priest's first stop is his elemental plane.
>
> And difficult is different from impossible.

Well so we've established that the race could either get out or get in.
You've already given your opinion on the idea of the race originating on
Athas, now examine the other possibility.

> >Over millions of years? I severely doubt it is a necessity. The Juna
> >were an even more expansive race and look at how many examples of their
> >race there are in the universe. Comparitively few. It is concieveable
> >that over that length of time, all evidence of their spell use has been
> >eradicated. At least near the human core, (ie Krynn, Oerth, and Toril)
> >who is to say where their starting point was.

>
> That a single planet with 4 subraces was more likely a colony that had
> adapted in isolation, than that it was the home, and 3 subraces races, and
> all magical abilities died out of the race everywhere else in the universe,
> when parts of the rest of the universe wasn't isolated and dependant on a
> limited gene pool?
>
What remains of the magical ability of the Juna? As of the end of the
Cloakmaster Cycle, nothing. And again, their empire was far more vast
than that of the Thri-Kreen. It is not impossible. But regardless, I
wish to examine the other probablility.

> I thought so. Don't you?

No.

> Add that to the Thrikeen habit of killing their young, and non viable kids in
> the colony won't be around to breed, but the ones with unique abilities that
> aid survival would.
>
> Result: Thrikeen different from all their brethren in the rest of the
> universe, where the TK can afford to kill ANY children that are different,
> without worrying about the race dying out.

Not to sound critical, but what does that have to do with anything.
>
> >Well aside from which. It makes more sense to assume that the Tohr-Kreen
> >and their lesser counterparts came from the outside and are not native
> >to Athas. Think of how evasive the Tohr-Kreen are about their home. For
> >those of you interested in incorporating Athas somehow into your
> >campaigns, you could look at the reaction of the Tohr-Kreen to the
> >defilers. Their whole reluctance to divulge the secret of their home,
> >i.e. wildspace, could be seen as their desire for keeping the knowledge
> >from the Sorcerer Kings. The whole campaign could revolve around the
> >PC's inadvertantly upsetting the delicate political situation on Athas,
> >unwittingly delivering the information into the hands of one of the
> >Sorcerer Kings, forcing the Tohr-Kreen to tip their hands and take an
> >active role in the situation. Any number of adventures could spin off of
> >the idea. Think about it.
>
> So, they've managed to hide every indication of their existance from all
> those spacefarers for who knows how long, but 3 separate subraces happened to
> be discovered on one little world? A backward one, at that.
>
They haven't hidden every indication of their existence from all those
spacefarers for how long. All the indications of their existence were
attributed to the _Thri-Kreen_ who are the devolved result of the death
of the Tohr-Kreen empire. And they are right. The Thri-Kreen are the
backwards descendants of that mighty race, and still bear it's racial
memory and shared history.

> Does that really seem likely?

Most certainly. Your limited gene pool idea strikes to the very heart of
this problem. Who knows how many Tohr-Kreen there are? There may only be
a handful left in the multiverse. The three subraces could very easily
be the result of the Tohr-Kreen's attempt to repopulate their race in a
very restrictive environment. The gradual degradation of the genetic
purity of the race begins to result in barbaric, less intelligent
offspring, already more adapted to the savage environment than they.
They breed faster, and in greater numbers, necessities for survival in
the harsh terrain. Thus the Tohr-Kreen resort to other, more mysterious
methods to reproduce, which would explain why you do not see the
Tohr-Kreen "hatchlings" (for lack of a better term). Or perhaps (as you
have demonstrated that you can leave the sphere), they do not make a
permanent residence on Athas. Either an extra-dimensional home, or
extra-planetary home. There are many other possibilities which fit the
facts, and any DM could fit them into their campaign if they wished.

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Re: Tohr-Kreen and the Origin of the Species    Deviant    10 Sep 1996 02:41:07
Re: Tohr-Kreen and the Origin of the Species    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    10 Sep 1996 02:52:51
Re: Tohr-Kreen and the Origin of the Species    Deviant    10 Sep 1996 04:43:57

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