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From:     PlaneHppr@???.com
Date:     Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:47:08 -0400
Subject:  Re: Devient& Tom M.
In a message dated 96-06-30 12:53:57 EDT, you write:

<< I wholly agree. Tom, this discussion really belongs on a DS mailer. And
between us, I am
 sure that we could go on for days. But in seeing this, I think that we
aren't helping
 anyone after all. If you come up with that proof email me. If not, let's
just agree to
 disagree, and leave it at that. It has been quite interesting.
  >>

Why would a discussion of how world specific powers work in the Flow, or even
the planes, be better put on the DS list?

This seems the perfect list for discussing a given Spheres, it's special
classes, and how they work in the Flow.

As far as his offering proof, some of your comments make clear that you
wouldn't recognize it if it was shown.

>> It certainly seems a s though you're arguing out of boredom.

>I wasn't when the discussion began.

You sem to be saying that you were later. It seems he was right, and you were
causing peoblems to cause problems.

>> And it didn't really need to be shown in the first place, as it was common
>> sense.

>Fine. You haven't shown that the body is a different one each time, and I
haven't >proved
>the body is the same one. This question is incidental and seems to be borne
of a >desire
>to argue. One way or the other, it really doesn't affect the overall
discussion.

Incidental? If it's a new body each time, then it couldn't be gotten without
the connection to the elemental planes.

Which makes it quite germaine to his point.

>> Also. you're therory about one element overriding the others being
>> responsible for the change doesn't seem to agree with the facts. DK staes
>> that the cleric is either "fully elemental, or fully human". Which means
that
>> there is none of the other three elements left to fight but the over
riding
>> elemental, and bring back the human body.

>Not my theory. There are other people on the list discussing this, you see.

I haven't seen it from anyone but you.



>The point is, while something may seem like common sense, it cannot be taken
for
>granted. In the DS world, no cleric has ever been put in this situation.
There is no
>precedent. There is no statement in the rules anywhere that says the
Etherial state >is a
>necessity. Perhaps it is merely a side affect. That is mere speculation, but
a >distinct
>possiblilty. If you find one single piece of proof anywhere in the DS rules,
then I will
>grant you the point and we can move on from this discussion, which seems to
be >getting
>carried away.

He showed quite a bit, claiming consistancy within the various aspects of the
TSR system. He asked you to show one reason why this particular aspect should
be expected to violate the pattern TSR has set up, and you failed.

He even address the fact that the change was granted by Powers, and that they
couldn't reach into the Flow or the Outer PLanes to do so, anymore than they
could to grant spells.

That seems like the final bit of proof needed, and the only one, but you
ignored it as well.

You have been given proof, you've just refused to accept it.

Could you give us our list back now?



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SubjectFromDate (UTC)
Devient& Tom M.    Paul Westermeyer    30 Jun 1996 11:39:35
Re: Devient& Tom M.    Deviant    30 Jun 1996 18:42:21
Re: Devient& Tom M.    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 21:15:21
Re: Devient& Tom M.    PlaneHppr@???.com    30 Jun 1996 21:47:08
Re: Devient& Tom M.    Paul Westermeyer    01 Jul 1996 03:24:52
Re: Devient& Tom M.    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    01 Jul 1996 04:14:03
Re: Devient& Tom M.    Ken Lipka    01 Jul 1996 12:10:43
Re: Devient& Tom M.    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    01 Jul 1996 19:19:24
Re: Devient& Tom M.    PlaneHppr@???.com    02 Jul 1996 03:12:13
Re: Devient& Tom M.    PlaneHppr@???.com    02 Jul 1996 03:13:07
Re: Devient& Tom M.    PlaneHppr@???.com    02 Jul 1996 03:15:59

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