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From:     "Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tomjr@???.com>
Date:     Sat, 29 Jun 96 23:13:08 PDT
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>I have the page numbers that you gave, there jsut isn't any proof on them. I
 would like
>to know exactly where it says that change is a necessity. It clearly states
that it does
>happen, but I have not yet seen a single source that states it must happen.
Unlike the
>change into elemental form which is clearly phrased. "A character elemental
must assume
>his elemental form exactly once per day, no more or less."

Oh, please. You're right, it's not described as necessity for the change, It
*is* described as *part* of the change. The first part. It is part of every
description of the change. What it doesn't say anywhere is that it can be
done without the first part, or, for that matter that it can be
instantaneous, as you earlier claimed it was.


>Then why is there an argument if the case is airtight. The answer is, it is
not. You
>have yet to have shown that the transformation is impossible given the
restrictions.
>Thus, the argument remains.

Because you want to argue? You could argue that the sun is a big light bulb,
But that wouldn't make it so.

I *have* shown the change to take place on the etherial, and the etherial to
be impossible to access from certain places.

What *you* haven't shown is the change to be possible without the access to
the etherial.

In fact, I don't believe you've even made an effort to show *anything*, but
just a desire to argue the point.

>> >I am not arguing about the stages of their change, rather the nature of
the
>> change
>> >itself.
>>
>> Odd, you seem to be claiming that it can happen even without that first
>> stage, which takes place on the etherial.
>
>No, in fact it does not. It is a physical occurrence, and happens on the
Prime.

Odd, that is *not* what the books say. They distinctly say "etherial".

Of course, if you have a passage, as yet unrevealed, that says otherwise....



>Once again, that is because the human form is his natural one. It is static,
and changes
>only very gradually. While an elemental is the very essence of change. But,
as I
>mentioned, once the form is permanent, the HD do not change.

Or once the final body is acquired, it doesn't get traded in for another.
That's *all* you've shown: Once a bodu doesn't change, it doesn't change.

No kidding.


 And as the cleric
>approaches that state, his 'jits' as you put it, become less and less
variable, and the

Now you're making fun of spelling errors? I guess this isn't a discussion
anymore, now you want to cause problems on the lists.

Sorry, I'm in no mood to play.



>> Why would they? Both Spelljamming and Planar travel are supposed to be
>> impossible for a DS character, or so I've been told.
>
>By whom?

You, amognst others, remember?

>> As far as DS not being taken into account in conjunction with SJ, PS *did*
>> take it into account, and says the same things about accessing the Inner
>> planes from the Outer.
>
>Once again your argument requires the assumption that the Inner planes must
be accessed
>from the Prime in order to make the change. This has yet to have been
proven. There are
>a host of alternate reasons that could be given to prove the contrary.

Nope, just the etherial, and it is clearly described in all three places that
describe the change, and is part of the change.

>And as yet, there has not been one solid piece of evidence that states that
your
>assumption is correct.

There hasn't been? Or you've ignored it?


Thank You For Your Time,

Thomas O Magann Jr
http://www.sfo.com/~tomjr/

<tomjr@???.com> or my back-up: <TMagann@???.com>




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Re: RE:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 05:31:48
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