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From:     "Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tomjr@???.com>
Date:     Sat, 29 Jun 96 22:31:48 PDT
Subject:  Re: RE:
>> As I said before, no, it's in the PS and SJ works about inability to
access
>> certain planes cutting you off from effects dependeant on the planes, and
>> access to them.
>
>That assumes that the effect is dependant upon the plane, which you have yet
to have
>shown.

Haven't I? The first step of the process does require the etherial plane, as
that is where the change always takes place, ergo, no access to the etherial,
no change possible.

Would you like the page numbers again?


>> I did, the system is consistant thruout the various game worlds, and the
>> important aspect is that DS states the first stage as etherialness, and SJ
>> prohibits effects requiring access the etherial when in the flow.
>
>Once again, it has yet to have been proven as a required effect. Still a
flaw in the
>argument.

It hasn't? What hasn't been shown is whether it's possible any other way. In
fact, it seems to be the only possible way to do it.


>I am not arguing about the stages of their change, rather the nature of the
change
>itself.

Odd, you seem to be claiming that it can happen even without that first
stage, which takes place on the etherial.


>> Page numbers for that little fact are available as well.
>
>Perhaps it is because the elemental form is not the character's natural
state. Now if
>you look at the rules, as an elemental becomes more powerful, he is allowed
to reroll
>more and more of the dice rolls, creating less and less variability in his
elemental
>form. And when finally he assumes permanent elemental form, his stats are
permanent, as
>they are with his regular body.
>
>Page numbers for that little fact are available as well.

Yes, but that doesn't address the huge variability it the elemental stats
(hit points) when there has been *no* change to the clerics power. Hell, the
cleric need not have gained so much as a single experience point from one day
to the next, yet the odds greatly favor having a different number of jits
during the next change.


>> Going from human to elemental requires a round as a human on the etherial.
>> Going from elemental to human requires one round as an etherial elemental.
>
>But those three seperate locations aren't taking into account such a
situation that the
>etherial state would be impossible to attain, even though I still maintain
that is not
>the case. As you had mentioned earlier, the DS rules were not written with
SJ in mind.

Why would they? Both Spelljamming and Planar travel are supposed to be
impossible for a DS character, or so I've been told.

As far as DS not being taken into account in conjunction with SJ, PS *did*
take it into account, and says the same things about accessing the Inner
planes from the Outer.


Thank You For Your Time,

Thomas O Magann Jr
http://www.sfo.com/~tomjr/

<tomjr@???.com> or my back-up: <TMagann@???.com>




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Re: RE:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 05:31:48
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