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From:     Deviant <deviant@????????.??.ca>
Date:     Sun, 30 Jun 1996 00:11:08 -0700
Subject:  Re: Re:
> >You have discussed SJ and Planescape but not what I asked in the first
> place.
> >Let's try this again then. And perhaps I won't miss it this time. Is there
> something in
> >the EAW&F book that indicates if an elemental priest is denied access to the
> etherial
> >plane, that his manditory change may be forgone.
>
> As I said before, no, it's in the PS and SJ works about inability to access
> certain planes cutting you off from effects dependeant on the planes, and
> access to them.

That assumes that the effect is dependant upon the plane, which you have yet to have
shown.


> >> As we are refering to bodies that are making the change outside of the DS
> >> Sphere, I thought that the sources that covered these areas to be the
> >> important ones, although the fact that there is nothing contradictory in
> DS
> >> sources doesn't hurt either.
> >
> >Neither is there anything supportive of the argument. Unless of course you
> can answer my
> >previous question.
>
> I did, the system is consistant thruout the various game worlds, and the
> important aspect is that DS states the first stage as etherialness, and SJ
> prohibits effects requiring access the etherial when in the flow.

Once again, it has yet to have been proven as a required effect. Still a flaw in the
argument.

>
> The same statements about charqacter elementals and their stages of shange
> are made in two seprate locations in Dragon Kings, which, as far as I know,
> presented them in the first place. Would you like the page numbers?

I am not arguing about the stages of their change, rather the nature of the change
itself.

>
> >> >> Fact is, the book *does* say etherial, and an elemental body is being
> >> >> fetched, so I see no reason to assume something else was meant, and
> that
> >> it
> >> >> was just a bad (or too casual) choice of words.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Now I see the nature of the misunderstanding. The transformation into an
> >> elemental form
> >> >is a _physical_ one. The elemental body is not fetched, or recieved. The
> >> physical form
> >> >of the cleric is changed into an elemental state. The form is not stored
> in
> >> stasis in
> >> >the elemental plane until needed by the cleric, but rather comes from the
> >> cleric
> >> >themself.
> >>
> >> No misunderstanding, whether fetched or changed (and it's new body each
> time,
> >> BTW)
> >
> >Now where precisely do you get THAT information? While the body is healed of
> damage,
> >make no mistake, it is the same body. The priest's body and it's elemental
> form are one
> >in the same.
>
> Well, as hit points for the elemental body are rolled anew each time the
> elemental form is assumed, it doesn't seem to ever really be the same body.
>
> The priest's human body retains the same hits unless a level is gaioned, in
> which case they go up tow points, but the elemental body has new hits rolled
> each time it is assumed. Hardly sounds like the same body, does it, given
> that the stats for it are different each time? Not even twice in a row,
> barring a fluke of die rolling.
>
> Page numbers for that little fact are available as well.

Perhaps it is because the elemental form is not the character's natural state. Now if
you look at the rules, as an elemental becomes more powerful, he is allowed to reroll
more and more of the dice rolls, creating less and less variability in his elemental
form. And when finally he assumes permanent elemental form, his stats are permanent, as
they are with his regular body.

Page numbers for that little fact are available as well.

>
> >"A character elemental _MUST_ (my emphasis) assume his elemental form
> exactly once per
> >day, no more or less."
> >
> >Now, taking into account the previously mentioned denial of access to the
> etherial
> >plane, and dismissing my personal belief that access to the etherial plane
> is totally
> >unnecessary, is it not reasonable to assume that the change is
> instantaneous?
>
> Nope. Not when 3 separate locations (in two seperate books, the only two to
> address the topis, as far as I know, unless the new edition included it as
> well) claim it takes a full round for the change. In each direction. Quite
> the opposite, it seems that it definitly takes a period of time. One round to
> be precise. And we even know which form for that round, as the books tell us.
> Going from human to elemental requires a round as a human on the etherial.
> Going from elemental to human requires one round as an etherial elemental.

But those three seperate locations aren't taking into account such a situation that the
etherial state would be impossible to attain, even though I still maintain that is not
the case. As you had mentioned earlier, the DS rules were not written with SJ in mind.

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Re: Re:    James Perry    27 Jun 1996 00:12:21
Re: Re:    James Perry    27 Jun 1996 00:37:33
Re: Re:    Don Weis    28 Jun 1996 15:10:58
Re: Re:    Deviant    29 Jun 1996 19:30:16
Re: Re:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    29 Jun 1996 19:18:13
Re: Re:    Deviant    30 Jun 1996 01:46:25
Re: Re:    James Perry    29 Jun 1996 23:03:46
Re: Re:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 00:06:56
Re: Re:    Deviant    30 Jun 1996 07:11:08
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Re: Re:    Deviant    30 Jun 1996 07:16:45
Re: Re:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 05:44:31
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Re: Re:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 06:25:48
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Re: Re:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 06:47:03
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Re: Re:    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    30 Jun 1996 08:49:42
Re: Re:    Shelby Michlin    30 Jun 1996 15:48:10
Re: Re:    Deviant    30 Jun 1996 18:41:21
Re: Re:    James Perry    04 Jul 1996 16:24:22
Re: Re:    Don Weis    05 Jul 1996 10:34:37
Re: Re:    James Perry    05 Jul 1996 17:34:26
Re: Re:    Eugene Shumu1insky    16 Sep 1996 21:50:02

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