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From:     "Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tomjr@???.com>
Date:     Sat, 29 Jun 96 17:06:56 PDT
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>> Not really. I said that it was in Planescape, and part of the whole system
>> inherent there, as well as the SJ system in the flow. The information was
>> given, even if you missed it some how.
>
>You have discussed SJ and Planescape but not what I asked in the first
place.
>Let's try this again then. And perhaps I won't miss it this time. Is there
something in
>the EAW&F book that indicates if an elemental priest is denied access to the
etherial
>plane, that his manditory change may be forgone.

As I said before, no, it's in the PS and SJ works about inability to access
certain planes cutting you off from effects dependeant on the planes, and
access to them.

Also as I believe I said before, as there is nothing in the work that says
the change takes place even if the Etherial can't be reached, I see no reason
to expect this particular aspect to work any differently than the rest of
the system does.


>> As we are refering to bodies that are making the change outside of the DS
>> Sphere, I thought that the sources that covered these areas to be the
>> important ones, although the fact that there is nothing contradictory in
DS
>> sources doesn't hurt either.
>
>Neither is there anything supportive of the argument. Unless of course you
can answer my
>previous question.

I did, the system is consistant thruout the various game worlds, and the
important aspect is that DS states the first stage as etherialness, and SJ
prohibits effects requiring access the etherial when in the flow.

As DS didn't take SJ into account, they probably felt no need to comment on
it, but, as they don't specificly state this as an exception to the standard
rules as presented in SJ and PS (which does take *all* planes into account,
and states the same ruling, but includes it for the Outer planes instead of
the flow) I think claiming this as an exception to the rule when their is
absolutely no evidence that it is, os is meant to be, to be a waste of time.

The same statements about charqacter elementals and their stages of shange
are made in two seprate locations in Dragon Kings, which, as far as I know,
presented them in the first place. Would you like the page numbers?

>> >> Fact is, the book *does* say etherial, and an elemental body is being
>> >> fetched, so I see no reason to assume something else was meant, and
that
>> it
>> >> was just a bad (or too casual) choice of words.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Now I see the nature of the misunderstanding. The transformation into an
>> elemental form
>> >is a _physical_ one. The elemental body is not fetched, or recieved. The
>> physical form
>> >of the cleric is changed into an elemental state. The form is not stored
in
>> stasis in
>> >the elemental plane until needed by the cleric, but rather comes from the
>> cleric
>> >themself.
>>
>> No misunderstanding, whether fetched or changed (and it's new body each
time,
>> BTW)
>
>Now where precisely do you get THAT information? While the body is healed of
damage,
>make no mistake, it is the same body. The priest's body and it's elemental
form are one
>in the same.

Well, as hit points for the elemental body are rolled anew each time the
elemental form is assumed, it doesn't seem to ever really be the same body.

The priest's human body retains the same hits unless a level is gaioned, in
which case they go up tow points, but the elemental body has new hits rolled
each time it is assumed. Hardly sounds like the same body, does it, given
that the stats for it are different each time? Not even twice in a row,
barring a fluke of die rolling.

Page numbers for that little fact are available as well.


>"A character elemental _MUST_ (my emphasis) assume his elemental form
exactly once per
>day, no more or less."
>
>Now, taking into account the previously mentioned denial of access to the
etherial
>plane, and dismissing my personal belief that access to the etherial plane
is totally
>unnecessary, is it not reasonable to assume that the change is
instantaneous?

Nope. Not when 3 separate locations (in two seperate books, the only two to
address the topis, as far as I know, unless the new edition included it as
well) claim it takes a full round for the change. In each direction. Quite
the opposite, it seems that it definitly takes a period of time. One round to
be precise. And we even know which form for that round, as the books tell us.
Going from human to elemental requires a round as a human on the etherial.
Going from elemental to human requires one round as an etherial elemental.

Dragon Kings page 57-58 or 157.

Read it yourself.


Thank You For Your Time,

Thomas O Magann Jr
http://www.sfo.com/~tomjr/

<tomjr@???.com> or my back-up: <TMagann@???.com>




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