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From:     "Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tomjr@???.com>
Date:     Fri, 10 Nov 95 14:53:57 PST
Subject:  Re: Bionoids
> Geez Mr, and just what does the bonding mean... I'll give you a hint, it
>doesn't mean the char becomes a giant purple lizard.

A bonded pair is different from a born Bionoid. The born bionoid seems to be
in full control of the change. That's the major difference, along with being
raised by others of it's kind, and all the training inherent in that.

>} > Actually it states the alignment changes as soon as the host merges with
>} >the symbiont, and will remain NG thereafter.
> Thats not control of alignment as you express below, thats a _change_ of

If the symbiont has changed the alignment to one it prefers, it's controlled
it, hasn't it? That's just semantics.

> Oh, so what is this a murder trial? *I* have been the one to fundament my
>replies with the actual text, it has been you who gives little reasons and
>just guesses from stuff you saw in a movie and not in the AD&D SpellJammer

No. You claimed to have consistantly said things that you hadn't said, but
that I had. It puzzled me.

Actually, I've given several quaotes from the MC entry and were the entry
didn't answer a point I *then* refered to the movie.

As for your quoting the entries, you, in fact, said that you hadn't read it
in quite a while and that you books were stashed in a cupboard. Also that you
were posting from memory of what you'd read.

You did eventually dig out the entry, and coorect a couple of things you'd
said, but it took a while.

>BTW this is totally out of subject

Odd, I thought my comment was that who were throwing out a bunch of facts
without bothering to check them. Often to tell me that my quotes were wrong.

> It so results that the MC states most clearly "they are tall, muscular
>creatures with irridescent exoskeletons" just how soft do you expect their
>exoskeleton to be?  Now dex might be high but 25... that would mean they
>have a +5 in their missile attack adjustment, wouldn't they make use of such
>an attribute if they had dex 25?  Wouldn't they have at least a secondary
>missile weapon like the thri-kreens...?

Maybe, but they were bred as shock troops in a space war. They or their
designers may have thought that their Fireball was sufficent as a missle
weapon. I know I've found it so.

>} 12th level and specialization gives 2/1 attacks and lack of specialization
> Right, the category for fighters with specialization encompasses all levels
>from 7 to 12, and obviously you decided to pick 12 the last level with 2/1
>atcks/round to defend a case which has no gorunds.

No. I picked 12 as that was their HD. As I've said, while you may not agree
with may methods, but I have a basis for each one. From the description for
the most part, failing that, other AD&D guidelines. Only when nothing else
worked in the game system did I go to the movies. And that was fairly rare.

>} gives 3/2, and a move 4 times normal for most humanoids of their height,
> Oh thats new!  This I've Never heard about, how does specializing in a
>weapon increase the movement rate of a character?

It doesn't I used both their move and number of attacks to determine the
haste effect. It does affect more than one thing, after all.

>} Because the rules state that most creature don't get their Strength bonus
>} with natural weapons. Not rules lawyering, just consistancy.
> Thats true to man size and smaller, the bionoid is larger than man size.

It applies to many L character races as well.

> What can I say, thats a good point, thanx for the advice.  Of course I
>guess most DMs use that to not stop and calculate the strength of the
>creature and if he is proficient or not and such... but its a good point if
>one is going to take the time to make all the calculations.

For my part, when I see a str bonus listed for a weapon I give thaco a quick
check to see if it might be better when weapons are used. If I don't see it ,
I don't worry about it, but that's me.

> Well you know what thought did...

Expanded the mind?

>} A set of inner membranes lining that section of plates that are high
>} explosive when exposed to each other and air? That's what the entry says.
>} goes so far as to wound the creature when used.
> Just how deep below the skin do you think all the vital stuff is in a
>human, should it be that different in a humanoid?  I like your creativity,
>but the book indiactes the bionoid's weak point is the crystal eye and if
>the "two highly charged membranes" where to be exposed to air, say by an
>opponent driving a spear into the bionoid's chest plates, that pretty much
>would do it for the bugger, especially is the explosion doesn't find a way
>out and the bionoid must sustain all the damage.  Then again if you insist
>they must touch this might not work as a fatal strategy, and unfortunately
>the entry does _not_ say they react when exposed to each other.

No it says that they react when both are exposed to air. It doesn't say what
happens when only one is. Again, my answer was based on the info given (and
HS chemistry) Both exposed to the air, at the same time (apparently) and next
to each other (again, apparently). Hey, it works.

BTW, the crystal eye is the trus point of vulnrebility, because it acts as a
lich's phylactery, it stores the "soul". You have to destroy it to
permenantly kill the bionoid, and it's destruction would free the soul to go
on to the after life. I guess.

>  No, I mean that about the auto-recursive atk, nothing to do with the

Again, I have no idea what you're refering to. Sorry.

> Well I mentioned the marauders, I'm sure the orcs made more stuff, I just
>can't remember today, I had a lot of work to do today...

Actually, th only other thing i've noticed was post war, and that was the
Scro Mantis ships.

> Well... but there is alot of people against the orcs and not that many in
>favour of them, however I would dare to belive the elves wanted the total
>extermination of the orc race, and that goal was not achieved, anyway the
>good guys always win in the big wars and movies. =)

Agreed, but I don't consider Space Elves all that Good. Again, that's me.

>  BTW not to arise any battle-mode agresiveness or anything, but did you
>happen to notice that bionoids have an intelligence of 8-16, if we say thats
>the symbiont's then
>1. In combat form a mage bionoid would have limited ability if his own INT
>is higher, this loss of INT might be a reflection of the missing knowledge.

I didn't worry too much about that aspect. Too many other monster list
exceptional members exceeding racial Int. as well as the fact that 95% of the
entry was about born bionoids, and that the bonded ones where only a
paragraph or two. I placed the bonded sorts in the exceptiional category or
it wouldn't come up.

>2. What happens when the symbiont leaves the body "becoming a separate,
>nymph bionoid"?

Damned if I know. The two who found and bonded with eggs didn't last long
enough for me to worry about it. The MC entry refers to bonded symbionts as
being allowed to join and live with bionoid tribes, so I assume it takes a
fair amount of time. What you would probably have, after some years, is a
full fledged "born" bionoid. One mind and set of instincts in full control.

Thank You For Your Time,

Thomas O Magann Jr

<tomjr@???.com> or my back-up: <TMagann@???.com>

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Re: Bionoids    Marco Camacho E.    10 Nov 1995 02:13:05
Re: Bionoids    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    10 Nov 1995 02:33:38
Re: Bionoids    Marco Camacho E.    10 Nov 1995 21:48:45
Re: Bionoids    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    10 Nov 1995 22:53:57
Re: Bionoids    Marco Camacho E.    11 Nov 1995 16:13:51
Re: Bionoids    Thomas O. Magann Jr.    11 Nov 1995 20:21:40

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